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rmcgaffic
04-12-2008, 12:12 PM
I make the following observation with the hope that it will encourage A5 to approach these issues with the precision of Mercedes Benz rather than Ford.

There appears to be an annoying defect in V9, that may be related to another annoying defect I discovered in V8 (See Changing the color of the splash background and progress bar). At least this one I can remedy; for the splash screen, we're apparently stuck.

As shown in the thumbnails below, when you use an action script to open a form as a dialog, the forms borders must manually adjusted if you want any kind of even top, bottom, left, and right margins for your dialog form.

Note that in the form design the bottom of the form is at the very edge of the Cancel and OK buttons. Also note that the right margin is slightly narrower than the left margin.

The form's left and top position properties are set to default, and its size width and height are both set to Use Form Width and Use Form Height respectively.

I had to make these adjustments to achieve the "even margin" results in the thumbnail form view shown below.

After all the progress A5V9 has made in allowing us the micro-align fields, etc., I am disappointed that there are still some rough edges that could be so easily fixed.

Bob
Pittsburgh

DaveM
04-12-2008, 12:59 PM
Hey!

ford??? come on now - can't get that bad!

LOL

martinwcole
04-12-2008, 01:24 PM
Bob, referring to the 1st image - this appears to be an image of a form you created yourself, and are then opening it as a dialog. Is that correct?

rmcgaffic
04-12-2008, 01:40 PM
Martin,

Yes, that is correct.

Note that on the left side of the form in design mode there are three grid periods, on the top of the form are three grid periods, on the left are two grid periods, and at the bottom there are none.

When the form is executed, it looks fine because I have been forced to fiddle with it. I was hoping for what you see is what you get. These kinds of adjustments are the anthesis of RAD.

Bob
Pittsburgh

martinwcole
04-12-2008, 01:55 PM
My experience with forms where the right and bottom edge are an issue, it is important to know that you do have to fiddle a bit. If an object is at the right extreme of the form, there will still be a little space added. And the same applies for the bottom edge. But once you realize it, its easy when designing and testing.

I am including a dialog I use to show the design and live image

rmcgaffic
04-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Thanks, Martin.

It's just a shame that you have to go to the trouble though. I previously used MS Access 2003, Visual Studio, and had a fling with FileMaker Pro, and no such manual adjustments were ever required. What you saw is what you got.

I'm going to file this a wish list item; it is so trivial that I can't image it taking more than 15 minutes to fix.

Or do you think that Alpha is reluctant to do anything about it, because they have forced hundreds of developers to distort their forms and if they corrected them, the forms might have to be changed to what they should have been in the first place.

How about grandfather rule based on form creation date?

Bob
Pittsburgh

Selwyn Rabins
04-14-2008, 11:18 PM
I make the following observation with the hope that it will encourage A5 to approach these issues with the precision of Mercedes Benz rather than Ford.

There appears to be an annoying defect in V9, that may be related to another annoying defect I discovered in V8 (See Changing the color of the splash background and progress bar). At least this one I can remedy; for the splash screen, we're apparently stuck.

As shown in the thumbnails below, when you use an action script to open a form as a dialog, the forms borders must manually adjusted if you want any kind of even top, bottom, left, and right margins for your dialog form.

Note that in the form design the bottom of the form is at the very edge of the Cancel and OK buttons. Also note that the right margin is slightly narrower than the left margin.

The form's left and top position properties are set to default, and its size width and height are both set to Use Form Width and Use Form Height respectively.

I had to make these adjustments to achieve the "even margin" results in the thumbnail form view shown below.

After all the progress A5V9 has made in allowing us the micro-align fields, etc., I am disappointed that there are still some rough edges that could be so easily fixed.

Bob
Pittsburgh

did you check the 'Hide status bar' checkbox on the form Properties 'Form' tab?

it looks like your form is still reserving space for the form's status bar.

rmcgaffic
04-17-2008, 09:37 AM
Selwyn,

Yes, I did check the hide status bar on the form. Attached is a thumbnail showing the same form with the hide status bar box unchecked.

Whether the box is checked or not, an "even" margin result is possible only by distorting the form. Hopefully, this is something that can be corrected in a future patch. Martin posted in this thread an example where he too has to distort his form to get a visually pleasing result.

I have also attached the splash screen to show that the problem is even more pronounced. As I have noted earlier, A5 should allow a bitmap to be appear with NO white margins, but if that is not possible, please at least even them up. Note in the splash screen the left margin is smaller than the left margin and there is quite a gap between the bottom of the bitmpa and the top of the progress bar. Why is the margin to the right of the progress bar different than the margin to the right of the bitmap?

A5's current splash screen again reminds me of Henry Ford's admonition on colors for model T's: Any background color will work well as long as it's white. My earlier posting showed screenprints of well established commercial software and shareware splash screens, and this deficiency relegates A5 applications in appearance to the later category.

I know these are somewhat nit-picky points, but A5 is maturing nicely and
considering how far you have brought this product, I would like to see it nearly perfect!

Bob McGaffic
Pittsburgh