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mastermind315
04-18-2008, 12:48 PM
Why is that there are not that much books about xbasic programming out there... in fact I just found no more than four books related to it. All come up from the alpha software page. I did a search on the net and in Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F&tag=131369-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957) and the same results came up... I'm really fascinated with this application and I know I can learn from the Scripts (that can be converted to Xbasic language) but I wish there would be an updated version of the books out there, at least. One recommendation to the Alphasoftware CEOs is to send a copy of the beta versions of their future releases to those authors so when the new version comes up there is a Book at the same time. Right now there should be an author writing about the new version, but we have to wait for them to finish and it could take a couple of months.

If you know about a site that teaches Xbasic, please post the site. Thank you and have a great day.

NoeticCC
04-18-2008, 03:42 PM
I think the fact that V9 has just been released and that Xbasic for everyone has only recently been updated probably has something to do with that... the help files and function references really are very extensive and are an invaluable resource, especially combined with the sample apps that ship with A5.

Xbasic is VERY extensive and no documentation could ever cater for every possible situation one might encounter.

forskare
04-19-2008, 01:03 AM
Why is that there are not that much books about xbasic programming out there... in fact I just found no more than four books related to it. All come up from the alpha software page. I did a search on the net and in Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F&tag=131369-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957) and the same results came up... I'm really fascinated with this application and I know I can learn from the Scripts (that can be converted to Xbasic language) but I wish there would be an updated version of the books out there, at least. One recommendation to the Alphasoftware CEOs is to send a copy of the beta versions of their future releases to those authors so when the new version comes up there is a Book at the same time. Right now there should be an author writing about the new version, but we have to wait for them to finish and it could take a couple of months.

If you know about a site that teaches Xbasic, please post the site. Thank you and have a great day.

Your question has been asked a few times over the years and perhaps the best answer is something like this:

In the eyes of independent authors, A5 is not a very big market in the world of databases. However, Dr. Peter Wayne has done splendid job with the books he has written. When it comers to the action scripts, I suspect most of them were derived from the message board from actions that others created or needed. Along with that, A5 is to the point to where little, if any xbasic is needed. The action scripts allow users to create quite sophisticated applications.

I don't think there is a web site that teaches xbasic although there are a couple of web sites that offer the books. I think you've already discovered them.

There is a ton of xbasic on the message board. Search v7,v8 & v9 using a topic such as something you want to do.

Finally, learn the ins and outs of action scripting, especially the dialog boxes. You will be much better off being well versed in that instead of xbasic. Check out the tutorials. They can keep you busy for quite some time.

Oh, almost forgot, take a cruise through the code archive. It's located newar the bottom of the forums list.

kenn

Tom Cone Jr
04-19-2008, 04:36 AM
And the articles collection at

www.learnalpha.com

DaveM
04-19-2008, 12:02 PM
Elliot,

if you read several published books on c, or any other programming language, all they do is get you started and cover the same thing(pretty much) with a different approach. After the beginners books, one must work at it a bit before going to an intermediate book or one will get a bit lost with the book(s).

Alpha really needs no book as you would need in c. It has a better online help system, message board, online tutorials, and etc., that more than you might need is available.

Programming is different for everybody(different thought patterns) and many times the same result can be had 3 or 4 different ways. As long as you get your result, the how is what you learned.

The functions Alpha supplies to you are primarily written in xbasic and a lot of the people on this message board are capable of writing them, but Alpha already did for us to use. It certainly speeds our work to have those readily available instead of laboring for a couple days to get something like a len(), lookup() or the other hundreds available. If you don't have a match, you can make one. There are probably 500 or so scripts and user defined functions right here on the message board. If I were one of their programmers, I wuld scan the message board for possible functions to include in the newest version. I think they sometimes do.

Alpha used to ship several books with a purchase and they were very good. Especially in the dos days. Now the help file is way better and it is periodically updated which was impossible with the books.

Bottom line is: Alpha is evolving faster that a writer can write and publish.

TedBerry
04-19-2008, 06:39 PM
I am fairly new to Alpha (less than a year) but I started with GW Basic and then QuickBasic 4.5.

What I have been able to do with Alpha is use Action Scripting and then convert it to XBasic. I then study the code and compare it to the examples. I haven't had much trouble picking it up that way. Of course I did buy Dr. Wayne's 'XBasic For Everyone' and it has been a tremendous help. I really don't see a need for any other books on XBasic itself.

I find Alpha and XBasic to be very logical and very well constructed compared to most languages that I have used over the years.

One thing I do is watch this board like a hawk. I don't have the expertise in Alpha yet to contribute much but my opinion, so I just watch and listen so to say. I have said it before - this product is awesome.

So, I guess what I am saying is write Action Scripts - convert them to XBasic and then study them. Watch this board. Study the examples that people post here. Books on XBasic probably won't change much because it appears to me that the language itself is almost set in stone. There may be different functions written in XBasic, but the language pretty much remains the same.

Just my thoughts.

Ted Berry
TLBerry Enterprises
Iowa Park, TX

DaveM
04-19-2008, 06:44 PM
Dr wayne's book is helpful to the old pro as well as the newbie. I have the newest one too.

MoGrace
04-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Dr wayne's book is helpful to the old pro as well as the newbie. I have the newest one too.Dave I bought his latest book too. But in my copy when I open it in Acrobat there is no ability to jump to a page from the contents. Is this true in your copy too? It seems there should be some sort of link...

MikeC
04-22-2008, 12:57 AM
Robin, it is the same in my copy--no links via contents....

mastermind315
04-22-2008, 01:39 AM
That can be fixed with Acrobat Pro (if you own a copy) it has to be recompiled. Maybe the author forgot about it. I fixed a copy of another e-book for a friend that has that same problem. I could had help you if I had a copy of this e-book but I don't have it.

gschepp
04-25-2008, 08:05 PM
Quick links to pages is so important!!

I've made sure to do it when I had PageMaker and now InDesign. And it's so easy. Just define paragraph styles and apply to the heading.

gschepp
04-26-2008, 09:39 AM
I'm in the same boat too looking for more details on how to implement xbasic. Best I can figure is find something similar to what I need and figure it from there.

DaveM
04-26-2008, 10:40 AM
robin,


Dave I bought his latest book too. But in my copy when I open it in Acrobat there is no ability to jump to a page from the contents. Is this true in your copy too? It seems there should be some sort of link...

In the tool bar of the reader is a little box(at least in the free one I use) where i just put in the page number and it goes there. I never had a pro version, maybe it works different.

Dave

EDIT: Take that back. It is in the center at the bottom where it says 1 of 485, just put the number of the page in there.