Announcement

Collapse

The Alpha Software Forum Participation Guidelines

The Alpha Software Forum is a free forum created for Alpha Software Developer Community to ask for help, exchange ideas, and share solutions. Alpha Software strives to create an environment where all members of the community can feel safe to participate. In order to ensure the Alpha Software Forum is a place where all feel welcome, forum participants are expected to behave as follows:
  • Be professional in your conduct
  • Be kind to others
  • Be constructive when giving feedback
  • Be open to new ideas and suggestions
  • Stay on topic


Be sure all comments and threads you post are respectful. Posts that contain any of the following content will be considered a violation of your agreement as a member of the Alpha Software Forum Community and will be moderated:
  • Spam.
  • Vulgar language.
  • Quotes from private conversations without permission, including pricing and other sales related discussions.
  • Personal attacks, insults, or subtle put-downs.
  • Harassment, bullying, threatening, mocking, shaming, or deriding anyone.
  • Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, or otherwise discriminatory jokes and language.
  • Sexually explicit or violent material, links, or language.
  • Pirated, hacked, or copyright-infringing material.
  • Encouraging of others to engage in the above behaviors.


If a thread or post is found to contain any of the content outlined above, a moderator may choose to take one of the following actions:
  • Remove the Post or Thread - the content is removed from the forum.
  • Place the User in Moderation - all posts and new threads must be approved by a moderator before they are posted.
  • Temporarily Ban the User - user is banned from forum for a period of time.
  • Permanently Ban the User - user is permanently banned from the forum.


Moderators may also rename posts and threads if they are too generic or do not property reflect the content.

Moderators may move threads if they have been posted in the incorrect forum.

Threads/Posts questioning specific moderator decisions or actions (such as "why was a user banned?") are not allowed and will be removed.

The owners of Alpha Software Corporation (Forum Owner) reserve the right to remove, edit, move, or close any thread for any reason; or ban any forum member without notice, reason, or explanation.

Community members are encouraged to click the "Report Post" icon in the lower left of a given post if they feel the post is in violation of the rules. This will alert the Moderators to take a look.

Alpha Software Corporation may amend the guidelines from time to time and may also vary the procedures it sets out where appropriate in a particular case. Your agreement to comply with the guidelines will be deemed agreement to any changes to it.



Bonus TIPS for Successful Posting

Try a Search First
It is highly recommended that a Search be done on your topic before posting, as many questions have been answered in prior posts. As with any search engine, the shorter the search term, the more "hits" will be returned, but the more specific the search term is, the greater the relevance of those "hits". Searching for "table" might well return every message on the board while "tablesum" would greatly restrict the number of messages returned.

When you do post
First, make sure you are posting your question in the correct forum. For example, if you post an issue regarding Desktop applications on the Mobile & Browser Applications board , not only will your question not be seen by the appropriate audience, it may also be removed or relocated.

The more detail you provide about your problem or question, the more likely someone is to understand your request and be able to help. A sample database with a minimum of records (and its support files, zipped together) will make it much easier to diagnose issues with your application. Screen shots of error messages are especially helpful.

When explaining how to reproduce your problem, please be as detailed as possible. Describe every step, click-by-click and keypress-by-keypress. Otherwise when others try to duplicate your problem, they may do something slightly different and end up with different results.

A note about attachments
You may only attach one file to each message. Attachment file size is limited to 2MB. If you need to include several files, you may do so by zipping them into a single archive.

If you forgot to attach your files to your post, please do NOT create a new thread. Instead, reply to your original message and attach the file there.

When attaching screen shots, it is best to attach an image file (.BMP, .JPG, .GIF, .PNG, etc.) or a zip file of several images, as opposed to a Word document containing the screen shots. Because Word documents are prone to viruses, many message board users will not open your Word file, therefore limiting their ability to help you.

Similarly, if you are uploading a zipped archive, you should simply create a .ZIP file and not a self-extracting .EXE as many users will not run your EXE file.
See more
See less

Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • jgrannis
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Originally posted by kkfin View Post
    Latest roadmap did has a mention (again) of server side javascript in AA. Lets hope it is an alternative choice one day.
    I believe that Alpha's approach to server-side javascript is already to hand it over to Node.js via calling a Node service from Xbasic.
    So if something gets too hard to do with Xbasic, is for some reason much slower when using Xbasic, or maybe in the case where a nice Node module already exists to get the job done, we can do server-side javascript today.

    I do remember the convenience, in the 90's, of doing a lot of server-side javascript (SSJS) with Netscape's iPlanet web servers. Never thought I would still be doing javascript on the server 20 years later.

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Originally posted by RichCPT View Post
    Ken,
    So, how was the first timing taken? Was it from the Control Panel Interactive window?

    Was first timing from one of these places:
    1) Server-Side Grid Embed (like OnGridInitialize)
    2) Server-Side Grid callback function
    3) Server-Side UX Embed (like OnDialogInitialize)
    4) Server-Side UX callback function

    If your timings were taken from one of the above then you have a good case to take back to Alpha and ask, "What is going on with the WAS? The time taken to run a tight loop in xbasic on an a5w page vs from inside a grid or UX should be vastly closer. Is there a problem in how it is yielding processor time?"

    If your initial timings were taken from the Control Panel Interactive window and the above four places can run the loop in about one second then I think this case can be dismissed.

    However, don't give up in finding ways to make AA run faster. I've been trying to get a couple of components to run faster under AA and so far I have had pretty good luck removing conditional expressions from server-side and client-side expressions and reducing the amount of data / controls shown in Grids and lists.

    I do not think performance in a top value in Alpha and this is also true with xbasic. It is in my opinion a collection of wrapper functions currently. I think the point is in Richard post #12.

    There is many ways to make performance better. And some that you can not change.

    Ken

    Leave a comment:


  • RichCPT
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Ken,
    So, how was the first timing taken? Was it from the Control Panel Interactive window?

    Was first timing from one of these places:
    1) Server-Side Grid Embed (like OnGridInitialize)
    2) Server-Side Grid callback function
    3) Server-Side UX Embed (like OnDialogInitialize)
    4) Server-Side UX callback function

    If your timings were taken from one of the above then you have a good case to take back to Alpha and ask, "What is going on with the WAS? The time taken to run a tight loop in xbasic on an a5w page vs from inside a grid or UX should be vastly closer. Is there a problem in how it is yielding processor time?"

    If your initial timings were taken from the Control Panel Interactive window and the above four places can run the loop in about one second then I think this case can be dismissed.

    However, don't give up in finding ways to make AA run faster. I've been trying to get a couple of components to run faster under AA and so far I have had pretty good luck removing conditional expressions from server-side and client-side expressions and reducing the amount of data / controls shown in Grids and lists.

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    I tested this code in Alpha Application Server in test.a5w page

    Code:
    <!--A5Language:Javascript-->
    <%a5 
    i = 0;
     while (i < 100000000){
    	i++;
    	}
    print(i);
    %>
    The result was immediate under 1 sec.

    Big big difference compared to xbasic.

    Latest roadmap did has a mention (again) of server side javascript in AA. Lets hope it is an alternative choice one day.

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    I did have time to test also other Basic language interpreters I have. This is interesting:)

    BBC Basic for Windows 6.12a (repeat-until) 39 sec!!! Bravo
    Purebasic 5.70 LTS(x64) 12 sec
    Spiderbasic 2.2.1 under 1 sec

    All tested in same machine as before others.

    Who say that Basic can not be fast.

    Ken

    Leave a comment:


  • Davidk
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Is it not a standard test. It is an isolated test which has nothing to do with performance of software or a web server or a cpu. Where do you get this stuff? Yikes.
    Last edited by Davidk; 02-16-2019, 02:35 PM.

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    The loop test tests performance. It is a standard test.

    Leave a comment:


  • RichCPT
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Originally posted by kkfin View Post
    … Alphas interpreter has clearly a big performance problem. …
    But in all fairness, there are at least two other things to consider here: 1) Is there a speed different between running in the Interactive window Control in Alpha vs. running under the actual Alpha Web server, and 2) how does the CPU utilization compare between the various methods? It could be that Alpha is yielding a lot more CPU time to other processes where as PHP and Cold Fusion might be hogging more CPU time and making other things sluggish.

    Leave a comment:


  • DickJames
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    I've been using Alpha since 2005, when I did comparisons between VB, Access and Filemaker. I didn't choose Alpha because it could finish a loop in the shortest time. I chose Alpha because it could deliver a finished application in the shortest time.

    Leave a comment:


  • mumfie
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Originally posted by kkfin View Post
    I tested Asp.Net Web Forms(4.6.1 C#) and it also did basically fail like Alpha. It did somehow surprise me but confirms why the traffic is from Asp.Net Web Forms to other platforms. On the other hand MS has new platform Asp.Net Core which I did not test but seems to be the fastest framework available currently.

    Ken
    FYI
    I tested Net core 2.1 with minimal console app which takes approx 0.247 seconds using following code

    Code:
    static void Main(string[] args)
            {
                Console.WriteLine("NET Core 2.1");
                Stopwatch stopwatch = new Stopwatch();
                stopwatch.Start();
                int i = 0;
                while (i < 100000000)
                {
                    i = i + 1;
                }
                stopwatch.Stop();
                Console.WriteLine("i: {0}", i);
                Console.WriteLine("Time elapsed seconds: {0}", stopwatch.Elapsed.TotalSeconds);
                Console.ReadKey();
    
            }

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    I did also same test using Adobe ColdFusion 2016. It was about 27% slower than 2018 version and confirms so Adobes claims about better performance in version 2018.

    I tested Asp.Net Web Forms(4.6.1 C#) and it also did basically fail like Alpha. It did somehow surprise me but confirms why the traffic is from Asp.Net Web Forms to other platforms. On the other hand MS has new platform Asp.Net Core which I did not test but seems to be the fastest framework available currently.

    I also did test Rad Studio 10.3 Delphi and the result was immediate ( under 1 sec).


    Ken

    Leave a comment:


  • madtowng
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    86 ms using javascript, a bit longer using xbasic.
    2019-02-15_2-01-34.png

    Leave a comment:


  • kkfin
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Obviously you do not get speed with Alpha you get time:)

    Alphas interpreter has clearly a big performance problem.
    Unfortunately this lack of performance gets worse/has more impact in multi user environment like mobile or web.

    Leave a comment:


  • Davidk
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    Well... it's not always about how fast you get there...

    Leave a comment:


  • iRadiate
    replied
    Re: Alpha performance compared PHP and Adobe Coldfusion 2018 interpreter

    I got 9 minutes and 4 seconds

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X