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    Windev 20 vs alpha v12

    Hi,
    Anyone evaluated Windev 20 vs alpha V12 ?
    It looks like windev 20 got amazing components that I never seen on any software tool.
    windev.com

    Any thought?
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    Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

    Before considering windev, be up to scratch with the French language. Support/forums mainly in French, there is a forum run by users in the US, very nice one too but limited in number of users there. You mentioned windev, assume you only considering desktop builds since for web, that's a different license. Also english version released a couple of months after official French release (last time I checked). Otherwise an overall brilliant dev environment from the limited evaluation done.

    EDIT: Remember too to warn anyone coming an eye shot of your screen that the ladies on the screen posing at every turn of the dev environment are there for motivation!
    Last edited by kotinkarwak; 06-17-2015, 08:47 AM.
    Regards,

    Kotin Karwak
    Developer Edition
    Version 12.3 Build 2684
    System Addins: Build 4438
    Build machine Windows Vista
    Skype: mateso08

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      #3
      Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

      Kotin,
      It looks like their domain name and the desktop version has similar names (windev.com | WINDEV) , but I am looking after all products WINDEV, WEBDEV and WINDEV Mobile. It costs around $2k + $300 for unlimited server, but you can use a free server, if you develop a php application. It looks like, it come with 10 developer licenses too. I don't worry about the ladies picture, the IDE doesn't have that much ladies picture :).
      Regarding the Support/forums, don't you think Google Chrome translator may be a solution for that ?
      It is a good news that there is a US users forum.
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        #4
        Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

        Nuances of google translation, video tuts only in French, error messages popping up in French while promised this has been taken care of (version 17). If you need to get your feet wet in web, sorry, you will have to buy license, the Express is only available for desktop and mobile: a new one I think but WebDev none so far.
        Price wise, think compares well with the major players in the enterprise world. Continue evaluating, might revisit it as well now the on ver 20.
        Regards,

        Kotin Karwak
        Developer Edition
        Version 12.3 Build 2684
        System Addins: Build 4438
        Build machine Windows Vista
        Skype: mateso08

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          #5
          Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

          They certainly know how to make brochures...
          Win 10 64 Development, Win 7 64 WAS 11-1, 2, Win 10 64 AA-1,2, MySql, dbForge Studio The Best MySQL GUI Tool IMHO. http://www.devart.com/dbforge/mysql/studio/

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            #6
            Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

            Originally posted by frankbicknell View Post
            They certainly know how to make brochures...
            Was that a brochure or the entire WinDev manual?? ....lol
            Mike Brown - Contact Me
            Programmatic Technologies, LLC
            Programmatic-Technologies.com
            Independent Developer & Consultant​​

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              Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

              They have toned down the sexy girls a bit since a year or two ago. Personally, I find the brochures too distracting and difficult to read. But their actual manuals are pretty good which I think you might be able to find there somewhere. I had an extensive review by a WinDev guy. The different WinDev platforms don't talk to each other and they aren't all that cheap going from version to version.
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

              [email protected]
              https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                #8
                Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                Peter,
                I been reading and watching videos today and Windev platforms do talk to each other.
                Check Windev's documentations here http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/documentations.html

                So far it looks very promising. I don't see a price different compared with alpha. But i couldn't find any documentation how windev works with phonegap.
                Last edited by Ferenju; 06-18-2015, 12:28 AM.
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                  #9
                  Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                  That's interesting and inevitable. Two years ago they were disparate products. It only makes sense that they integrated them. Of course, how well they work together is an open question I suppose. But good for them.
                  Peter
                  AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                  [email protected]
                  https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                    #10
                    Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                    At first using code generators seems to be nice solution. But very soon you just struggle with them.

                    Why to make it so difficult.
                    In html page you basically have just labels, text boxes, input boxes, selects and textarea.
                    Then you add some css and js.

                    I would just learn basic skills in html and js and some css.
                    Then start using angularjs + some frontend frameworks like kendoui (with Alpha of course).

                    Life is much easier and you never have to struggle lack of documentations.

                    Check this example from angularjs.org.
                    How easy to add or take away something.
                    This is how coding should be done!


                    Code:
                    <!DOCTYPE html>
                    <html>
                    <head>
                    <script src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/angularjs/1.3.14/angular.min.js"></script>
                    </head>
                    <body>
                    
                    <div ng-app ng-init="qty=1;cost=2">
                      <b>Invoice:</b>
                      <div>
                        Quantity: <input type="number" min="0" ng-model="qty">
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        Costs: <input type="number" min="0" ng-model="cost">
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <b>Total:</b> {{qty * cost | currency}}
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    </body>
                    </html>
                    Get interested? This is the original video that turned my development philosophy.
                    Last edited by kkfin; 06-18-2015, 02:33 AM. Reason: link

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                      Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                      kkfin,
                      I support easy and in industry where some of these companies charge an arm and a leg for "professional services" in cases where you need a tiny tweak of even the generated HTML. Back to AA, anyone to show us how to add whistles and bells to pages for some of the markets that thrive on swishy front ends would be appreciated. The default templates in AA are not ugly ducklings but show that to a generation .com person and they will say "YAWN".
                      Anyone out there please show us how to use bought templates for the front end pages and how the AA work fits into it.
                      Regards,

                      Kotin Karwak
                      Developer Edition
                      Version 12.3 Build 2684
                      System Addins: Build 4438
                      Build machine Windows Vista
                      Skype: mateso08

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                        #12
                        Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                        Ken,
                        Thanks for simple straight forward review. Appreciate if you can provide some examples of using Kendoui with AA.

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                          Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                          Here is what you need to get started :)

                          <%a5
                          ? {"message": "hello world"}
                          %>

                          How to handle this json you can learn from many books of angular and kendoui or reading their online manuals.

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                            Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                            Originally posted by Ferenju View Post
                            It looks like windev 20 got amazing components that I never seen on any software tool.
                            What would those amazing components be ?
                            Frank

                            Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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                              Re: Windev 20 vs alpha v12

                              Frank,
                              These are some of my pick's from documentation that are found here http://www.windev.com/pcsoft/documentations.html .
                              You will find things that alpha doesn't give you out of the box, or extra charge, check-it-out!

                              • Code sharing /desktop/web / mobile
                              • HFSQL database engine for /desktop /web / mobile
                              • HFSQL control center
                              • HFSQL database management tool /analysis
                              • Native accesses to many databases
                              • Offline applications building
                              • Pvt” cube control
                              • Sunburst chart
                              • Video conference” control – automatic
                              • Spreadsheet control
                              • SAAS
                              • IIS
                              • LDAP
                              • Develop Linux applications
                              • Project document generator
                              • Project Code comparison
                              • PHP development / generator
                              • Table control ZOOM
                              • Automatic Application generator
                              • EXE generator, 32-bit and 64-bit.
                              • Installations without UAC
                              • Touch ID technology
                              • Android Wear
                              • Apple Watch
                              • Google Glass
                              • Dashboard control
                              • Project monitoring center
                              • Source code management
                              • Multiple developers’ management
                              • Multi-lingual application development
                              • more....
                              Last edited by Ferenju; 06-18-2015, 11:12 PM.
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