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  • Pre-release features

    Does anyone know where pre-release features are listed? I should know this, but I watch Selwins newest videos and even some which are many months old but the features and concepts he demonstrates are often not available. I'm not comfortable nor do I really have time to work with the pre-release versions. It would be enormously helpful if either the video stated pre-release or had text at the opening to that end.

    Thanks - John H

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    Re: Pre-release features

    http://downloads.alphasoftware.com/A...easenotes.html
    Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.3.0 Build 7582-5569 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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    • #3
      Re: Pre-release features

      Not sure where you're watching the videos, but if you use the pre-release page as your source, then you'll know these videos belong to a pre-release. There's also a link on the release notes page (available from Help in Alpha) to the pre-release page.

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      • #4
        Re: Pre-release features

        I think term pre release or official version does not mean anymore anything. You can check form Alphas pricing page that they have been selling now few months beta features and pre release features. So who cares if Alpha does not.

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        • #5
          Re: Pre-release features

          Originally posted by Davidk View Post
          Not sure where you're watching the videos, but if you use the pre-release page as your source, then you'll know these videos belong to a pre-release. There's also a link on the release notes page (available from Help in Alpha) to the pre-release page.
          Thank you all for the replies. I often watch you tube channel. There is no indication of the status from there. I'd be curious are many folks using the "pre-release" features in production environments. I did see where Alpha is up charging for features not in the official release. That seems q questionable practice since they state that we should not use these features in production. Hmm.

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          • #6
            Re: Pre-release features

            I use the pre-release in production everyday. I do not use the disconnected stuff, the IIS stuff or the newer form controls though. I just havn't learned them, but one thing I DO know is that every time I found a bug or something that was not working as expected they jumped on it immediately which gives me the courage to run these pre-releases. Now, many people work and design for profit and their policies do not allow anything but official releases for stability.
            I think it is awesome that they let us use these features as they are developing them, it gives us the chance to test them - learn them and ultimately make the product better long term.
            Other software I use come out with their next "version" once a year and then want FULL PRICE again the next year. The cost is around 100 bucks so it isn't a big hit to the wallet and I don't complain because there is always a ton of new features keeping them relevant in the ever changing world.
            So, in the end I am comfortable with paying for use of the pre-release stuff with a monthly tithe.

            It's a great product!
            NWCOPRO: Nuisance Wildlife Control Software My Application: http://www.nwcopro.com "Without forgetting, we would have no memory at all...now what was I saying?"

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            • #7
              Re: Pre-release features

              The problem is that if you buy a separate extra server you get now 8 month (2015.07) old version and not be able to update it. Same thing is with separate developers (for web or for desktop)

              What comes to bugs beta testing is always nice thing especially if customers do it for you.

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              • #8
                Re: Pre-release features

                The pre-releases have always been a bit of a conundrum for me. I have a fairly well developed application, but I watch the pre-release updates intently as they always seem to include cool new things that I can think of ways and uses to improve my app. The problem comes when I hit the rare bug that needs reporting. I know before I even submit the bug what the response will be ... "you are not using the latest pre-release. please test with the latest pre-release before reporting the bug". Yet, on the other hand I'm running in a production environment and the explicit stipulation it not to use pre-releases in a production environment. I know all the arguments, I've heard them all and I'm not preaching to the choir, but it is all rather ridiculous.
                Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.3.0 Build 7582-5569 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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                • #9
                  Re: Pre-release features

                  Originally posted by CharlesParker View Post
                  I use the pre-release in production everyday....

                  ...I think it is awesome that they let us use these features as they are developing them, it gives us the chance to test them - learn them and ultimately make the product better long term....

                  I think you use pre release version because there is no up-to-date stable version available. If you install pre release version to your customers server then what if something serious happen?

                  I do not think that there is many software companies that makes customers in practice beta testers and bug hunters and make them pay subscription price of that. All my respect to that company:). Yeah, awesome move.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pre-release features

                    I do not think that there is many software companies that makes customers in practice beta testers and bug hunters and make them pay subscription price of that. All my respect to that company:). Yeah, awesome move.
                    There are always going to be issues with software... that's it's nature. The day after Apple releases a version of iOS, there's a patch waiting for us. As with Alpha, this happens quickly because the company, the people, care to fix stuff. You simply can't test everything in every scenario with every browser with every device and every service. Many years ago, working with Access, we discovered a bug in their run-time, which actually corrupted tables... it was awful. It was months after our own testing and rollout and it was not easy to reproduce. Microsoft refused to fix it for over 6 months regardless of test cases and scenarios we supplied. We had to roll back all our clients. What a mess. We immediately dropped Access and we've never gone back.

                    We find Alpha to be extremely responsive and they produce some very cool stuff.

                    There are lots of environments out there... so why not investigate something else? Find something that is cheap and bug free.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pre-release features

                      Originally posted by Davidk View Post
                      There are always going to be issues with software... that's it's nature. The day after Apple releases a version of iOS, there's a patch waiting for us. As with Alpha, this happens quickly because the company, the people, care to fix stuff. You simply can't test everything in every scenario with every browser with every device and every service. Many years ago, working with Access, we discovered a bug in their run-time, which actually corrupted tables... it was awful. It was months after our own testing and rollout and it was not easy to reproduce. Microsoft refused to fix it for over 6 months regardless of test cases and scenarios we supplied. We had to roll back all our clients. What a mess. We immediately dropped Access and we've never gone back.

                      We find Alpha to be extremely responsive and they produce some very cool stuff.

                      There are lots of environments out there... so why not investigate something else? Find something that is cheap and bug free.
                      Davidk, Alpha is extremely responsive and they listen customers. Fortunately some customers says their opinion. I remember many times when ALpha has changed policy after feedback from customers.

                      If you thing current time frame to publish stable versions is ok then what to say. Hard to understand but at least you have opinion.
                      I do not have problem when you say your opinion. Now we know what you think.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pre-release features

                        I think you use pre release version because there is no up-to-date stable version available. If you install pre release version to your customers server then what if something serious happen?
                        ah, see that's where there is NOT an issue. First of all, I am my customer and I install updates to MY server, secondly and more importantly - all I have to do is install the last pre-release that worked. It's just that simple.

                        In fact this just happened yesterday. The March 18 pre-release Build 3481-4635 18-Mar-2016 severely affected my instances of Jim Colts calendar, as well as screwed up the way one of my main "lists" works where I display the technician agenda. I have a good bit of editing going on with his calendar, and I didn't care to look into why it affected it, so I simply re-installed the last pre-release that worked for me as expected.

                        I am not under any obligation to tell alpha devs that the release works as expected or otherwise. Sometimes I do, sometimes I just wait a few days for the next one. Often, these things get worked out if they are actually a bug. I appreciate the opportunity to test and YES even so much so to pay a subscription for it - especially when I know that as a subscriber those guys really work to address an issue - even when it is actually an error on my part!

                        Selwyn has for instance been VERY gracious to correct my code a couple of times and in that way teaching me not unlike many of you on here.

                        Now on to the bashing of Alpha - I am STILL very disappointed in the style builder and it seems to me that it should have been addressed BEFORE the form view controls - even though they are at this point in my opinion overly complicated to setup and use ----- they are pretty nifty. The style builder is essentially broken, when you get a warning that says YOU CANNOT EDIT a style. To take it a step further - I should be able to buy a style through let's say the alpha bootstrap product and then further EDIT it right in the style builder...and it would be even cooler if I were able to SELL my styles to others wherein they could install them and edit too if they wanted. I dont think it's that far off from happening - so I am holding some hope for that soon.

                        THAT ASIDE, overall I am super happy with what I have been able to accomplish with alpha and I have enjoyed the ride.

                        Cheers~~
                        NWCOPRO: Nuisance Wildlife Control Software My Application: http://www.nwcopro.com "Without forgetting, we would have no memory at all...now what was I saying?"

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pre-release features

                          Originally posted by CharlesParker View Post
                          Now on to the bashing of Alpha - I am STILL very disappointed in the style builder and it seems to me that it should have been addressed BEFORE the form view controls - even though they are at this point in my opinion overly complicated to setup and use ----- they are pretty nifty. The style builder is essentially broken, when you get a warning that says YOU CANNOT EDIT a style. To take it a step further - I should be able to buy a style through let's say the alpha bootstrap product and then further EDIT it right in the style builder...and it would be even cooler if I were able to SELL my styles to others wherein they could install them and edit too if they wanted. I dont think it's that far off from happening - so I am holding some hope for that soon.
                          Are you talking about the new style builder or the old one?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pre-release features

                            currently I beleive. The last time I tried to use it was about a month ago, I got an error basically telling me that I couldn't edit the style. Posted about it, and I probably should have sent in a complaint but I did not. They already know people are not happy with it.

                            On the flip side, I am as I said really pleased with the additions to the product since the last official release. Stripe for one, made my day! Next key addition was web sockets, and the incredible amount of work done with list controls.

                            What I would suggest to ANYONE using the pre-releases.
                            ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS
                            save a copy of the downloads so you can easily go back to a previous pre-release. And of course regularly backup. It's a good practice to begin with!

                            I like to put them in a folder named 2016 and so on, in other words by date. As Ken suggested, if theres an issue what will you do?
                            NWCOPRO: Nuisance Wildlife Control Software My Application: http://www.nwcopro.com "Without forgetting, we would have no memory at all...now what was I saying?"

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