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    #91
    Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

    Mind boggles..
    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein, (attributed)
    US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

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      #92
      Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

      Originally posted by peteconway View Post
      It went to demo mode - it was off the air - I applied the Serial number again and it restarted correctly.

      First image was..[ATTACH=CONFIG]42548[/ATTACH]
      Peter, I'd check that server often for the next few days. I've run into similar circumstances and the server went offline again.
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        #93
        Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

        Will do mate - cheers
        Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
        Albert Einstein, (attributed)
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          #94
          Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

          The current subscription model may wash with large company's using Alpha Anywhere in-house.
          For me, an independent developer, shutting down servers is definitely a non-starter.
          Last edited by user10; 09-06-2016, 08:53 AM.

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            #95
            Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

            My two cents -
            1) The subscription model perhaps solves an issue for any tech company in that they need a continual revenue stream in order to attract and retain talent to continue developing a top notch product.
            2) I think it is insane to purchase a product, let your license expire, and not continue receiving updates past your subscription for many reasons most of which are too obvious to state
            3) I do not agree with not allowing your developed products to continue to run after your subscription expires. The only limitation should be future updates and releases.
            4) Licensing the server, I have mixed feelings about. I'm more in favor of licensing the developer but can see how that severely limits revenue potential
            5) Is there a one size fits all licensing model? I lean towards no but they seem to disagree with me

            As with everything in IT, I'm certain that if you wait long enough it will change or become obsolete. I'd like to see a reversal on the WS shutting down after your subscription. You've paid your dues to that point and unless you don't care you aren't going to run a company on outdated software. Most likely you'll keep an active subscription and receive scheduled "quarterly updates". The fix for that is to have a purchase price and a renewal price. If your subscription lapses it costs more to renew that if you kept it going all along.

            It also seems with the introduction of Amazon cloud we'll see another set of pricing options. Will Alpha Cloud on AWS solve most of the problems by licensing Alpha Server via your subscription and allowing multiple sites/tenants/applications to run on a single plan without having to put the burden on your customer to continue to renew their own Alpha Server licenses and hosting? Then you pay for Alpha Server along with a reasonable usage charge based on resource utilization. It makes more sense to me in this model to separate the developer license from the server license. In doing this, I can pay 1 price for Alpha Cloud on AWS with an Alpha IIS Server license, storage and bandwidth etc. This allows me to host many sites and my fees to Alpha increase as my storage and bandwidth increases. Then on a separate revenue stream, I can purchase a single or multiple developer license and anyone on my plan can publish to my Alpha Cloud. Each developer would need an annual subscription to Alpha Developer Suite in order to develop in Alpha. If not using Alpha Cloud, it still makes sense. I have developer licenses and server licenses independent of one another allowing me to choose how and where to run my Alpha applications. That gives me a sense of control that is lacking in the current model and allows me to do cost analysis to determine where my break even point is for hosting one or multiple applications on one or multiple servers or on Alpha Cloud. It really is 2 separate animals, developing is 1, hosting is another.

            Wrapping up, I'd rather spend some extra money on a strong and growing forward progressing company with a 25 year track record than save a few bucks to align with something not charging enough to survive (believe me I've done the latter)! I just hope along the way they keep their commitment to the Alpha developers and continue to see both sides of the story when making major changes to licensing.

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              #96
              Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

              True that most software will turn to a subscription model but consider that adobe charges only a few hundred dollars a year while AA is about $1500. My non-profit clients can commit to a $1500 puchase of the initial system and can live with no further updates but thay can not committ to $1500 every year just to keep the system running. So why not have a model with an upfront charge of $1500 and then a non-upgrade subscription fee of a few hundred dollars a year? I know that I can not sell the current model to non-profits as it is.
              Irwin

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                #97
                Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                Irwin,

                I agree that the model which licenses the application server and not the developer is difficult for software re-sellers. However, there are viable alternatives in place today which are directly dependent on your infrastructure. You can setup a single server and serve multiple applications to multiple customers where each customer wouldn't need to have their own license, ultimately spreading the Alpha license fees over many customers. Of course this doesn't work well for desktop developers and perhaps that is where most of the gripe from customers comes from.

                Another option I mentioned which I have no experience or insight on is Alpha Cloud. Please don't quote me on any of this because pricing has yet to be mentioned, but I believe that the more applications you deploy to Alpha Cloud, the more you spread the license cost over several users/applications instead of 1. Time will tell how this model is monetized and how that cost is passed onto the developer and/or application consumer.

                In terms of Alpha's 1500 vs Adobe's few hundred dollars annually, that is nothing more than market size. Windows operating system is around 100 bucks with no annual subscription (although that may change someday too). This is not because that represents the value of what it costs to make an OS but rather that it is deployed over hundreds of millions of devices. Similarly with Adobe, I'm quite sure there is a larger market for Adobe and thus the ability to spread that cost over a larger number of users.

                If everyone in the world had a copy of Alpha installed on their pc then I'm sure then price could drop to a 100 one time cost. On the flip side, with that level of market saturation, your value in being part of a smaller group of Alpha developers has all of the sudden diminished and your applications that sell for thousands are now freeware developed by teenagers at home.

                Again just my two cents. I don't like spending more than I have to for a tool but at present I feel the price to value ratio is still fair for both Alpha and Developers. It can always be cheaper but at what cost and what risk.

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                  #98
                  Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                  The matter is clear take it or leave it
                  , thats a TRUE subscription

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                    #99
                    Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                    To be clear Alpha Anywhere today is mainly targeted for enterprise "Rapid mobile application development". And these mobile features are in Business Pro subscription so the right cost is at the moment 2500 per year.

                    Adobe Goldfusion is quite similar product than Alpha and their standard server cost little under 2000 and enterprise server 8500 (without tax and perpetual license). Development is almost free. Adobe also has AWS enterprise subscription model.

                    I think we have not yet seen limits in Alpha pricing.

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                      Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                      Originally posted by lgrupido View Post
                      You are kind of playing with fire here. You really should create the ability to renew a subscription quickly and easily BEFORE you start to turn them off automatically. One of these days a really big customer is going to get turned off automatically. Imagine, for instance, Amazon shutting down because of a licensing issue. Who's side would the media be on when that hits the news? Is it really worth the potentially bad publicity?

                      Note: I make my living off this product - I ask because I care and because such a scandal would potentially affect my ability to sell your product. When my customer asks "What happens if there is a licensing problem", I'd like to have a better response than I don't have any idea ....
                      Just to put your mind at peace there is no plan to automatically turn off licenses for people who are a true subscription. You will be notified that you need to renew well in advance and we will use multiple avenues to communicate this in advance. We understand that people use Alpha to build real world business apps and turning off licenses is not something we take lightly.
                      Richard Rabins
                      Co Chairman
                      Alpha Software

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                        Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                        Just so I am completely clear, does the licensing renewal requirement only apply to the Web and WAS side, or does the V12 Desktop have the same restrictions?
                        Is it possible to set up a PayPal event to automatically renew subs?
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                          Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                          Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
                          Just so I am completely clear, does the licensing renewal requirement only apply to the Web and WAS side, or does the V12 Desktop have the same restrictions?
                          Is it possible to set up a PayPal event to automatically renew subs?
                          Good question.

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                            Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                            I can attest to the fact that I have automatic payments setup for my subscription and it is working perfectly for me. It is not through PayPal though, regardless it is working for me and I am very happy with it.
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                              Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                              Any one else notice there is a new Official Release today
                              Alpha Anywhere v12.4.6.5.2 Build 8867-5691 IIS v10.0 on Windows Server 2019 Std in Hyper-V

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                                Re: Pre-release and expired subscription

                                Happy days a here again

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