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    Access/Sharepoint

    Originally posted by Davidk View Post
    I've been working with Access from Version 1.0. I loved it. But it just can't grow with a business.
    As Alpha also Access has been available for many many years.
    Current version of Access can use Sql Server directly as backend database. So for example you can build Access lists using Azure SQL Server as backend , publish these Access lists as native Sharepoint lists and so use them via certain Office Online plans or one can buy separate Sharepoint Online plans available. One can then publish these Sharepoint lists as Powers Apps which means you can use your lists also in any mobile device (or with Dynamics 365 via browser). And of cource you can create Access Desktop Applications that share data from these same lists or use Alpha to connect to SQL Server backend. I think current Access 2016 is an uptodate tool today as also Alpha today is.
    Last edited by kkfin; 06-09-2017, 02:27 AM.

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    Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

    Have you actually used Sharepoint lists and PowerApps? If you had, you'd know the hoops you have to jump through to get them working... and delpoyed. It's horrendous, by comparison to other similar tools.

    PowerApps is ok, but only half-baked... and very flaky... and you can't trust Microsoft not to kill it off. It's a toy... like Access Services was... which is now dead. Access 2016 is more or less a re-hash of the last several editions... and is desktop only.

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      #3
      Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

      Originally posted by Davidk View Post
      Have you actually used Sharepoint lists and PowerApps? If you had, you'd know the hoops you have to jump through to get them working... and delpoyed. It's horrendous, by comparison to other similar tools.

      PowerApps is ok, but only half-baked... and very flaky... and you can't trust Microsoft not to kill it off. It's a toy... like Access Services was... which is now dead. Access 2016 is more or less a re-hash of the last several editions... and is desktop only.
      Yes I have. Thats why I did mention these examples how to use Access. Access is just one tool in Office platform just like Excel or Powerpoint so it belongs to the office family.

      As I said you can build Sharepoint lists using Access 2016 and publish them to Sharepoint server and make these lists available in mobile platforms and Dynamics 365 using Power apps. So it is not just for desktop in fact preferred model is the cloud (sharepoint or appstore). I think Access 2016(2013) is totally different product than earlier versions and it has tight integration to Office/sharepoint online.

      What comes to trust and Microsoft I do not want to say anything about that subject in this message board. Last time when I did express my opinion my post did get deleted just like that for some reason I don't know.

      Like Access has history so Alpha also does. I think many Alpha developers still use dbf. Current Alpha is also a re-hash of the last several editions like almost all software we use today. Almost all old things are still available in Alpha V12.

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        Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

        But Access and Sharepoint are useless when attempting to build a robust Web / Mobile Application. What, on earth, am I going to do with a Sharepoint list... and only a list? Anyway... it's a useless argument for so many reasons and I don't want to derail this post. I know better than to respond to your posts.

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          Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

          Originally posted by Davidk View Post
          But Access and Sharepoint are useless when attempting to build a robust Web / Mobile Application. What, on earth, am I going to do with a Sharepoint list... and only a list? Anyway... it's a useless argument for so many reasons and I don't want to derail this post. I know better than to respond to your posts.
          Obviously you do not use Sharepoint lists but many use. Sharepoint lists are an important basic feature in Sharepoint Server. And it is much easier create these lists using Access than just Sharpoint tools. And then you can access these lists in mobile devices using Power Apps.

          Why one should stop using Access if they use Alpha or other way?

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            Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

            Originally posted by Davidk View Post
            What, on earth, am I going to do with a Sharepoint list... and only a list?
            Here is just one simple business example what you can do with Sharepoint lists:

            Lets say your vendor uploads to your Sharepoint list a document (excel, word, pdf and so on) using mobile device. Sharepoint lists workflow feature then sends to you automatically an notification email. If everything is ok you approve the document. Then this uploaded document automatically goes to your company's document library and is available if needed.

            This is just the most simple example.

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              Re: Randomly - an unhandled exception (c0000005) was generated - Alpha server crashes.

              With the passage of time database application grows in size and complexity the same is with the Access database, perhaps you need to consider upsizing it to Microsoft SQL server database for better optimized performance, availability, security, scalability, reliability, and recoverability etc. In such situation all you need is to convert your access database to SQL server. Luckily, Microsoft provides an upsizing wizard in access 2010 that makes it easy to convert your database.

              If you want to Convert OR Migrate your Access Database To SQL Server then for that case I would recommend you to read this post.

              How To Convert OR Migrate An Access Database To SQL Server

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                Re: Access/Sharepoint

                Access still works with SharePoint(so it do use SQL Server as backend) but not with the Sharepoint365 version. Also the next version of Sharepoint (but not 365) do support Access and so SQL Server backend.

                But Microsoft recommends Access developers to turn their Web/Mobile part to PowerApps platform. It is interesting platform. You can connect also to SQL Server but there are plenty more connectors available. Check here. Some Office365 plans have PowerApps included but the separate license is about 7$ per user and the developer license 40 per user. No other costs. But lets wait and see how long it will take when MS kills also this platform.

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                  Re: Access/Sharepoint

                  Originally posted by kkfin View Post
                  Access still works with SharePoint(so it do use SQL Server as backend) but not with the Sharepoint365 version. Also the next version of Sharepoint (but not 365) do support Access and so SQL Server backend.

                  But Microsoft recommends Access developers to turn their Web/Mobile part to PowerApps platform. It is interesting platform. You can connect also to SQL Server but there are plenty more connectors available. Check here. Some Office365 plans have PowerApps included but the separate license is about 7$ per user and the developer license 40 per user. No other costs. But lets wait and see how long it will take when MS kills also this platform.

                  Power=Apps = a rehash of MS LightSwitch MS stopped Support for LS and led XXXXXX of users standing the cold with support and XXXX deployed apps running in daily production if u owned VS Studio XX LS was free of charge to use and deployed incl. Sharepoint SQLServer and a lot more. But MS pulled the plug out result many developers moved to products like AA what seems for stable and trustfull for long term investment and are happy with that not to lose there businnes. I think at the end there willing to pay the subscription more then losing there business again ir is ma matter of ROI. But i get your point.

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                    Re: Access/Sharepoint

                    If you thing last 6 years and what new software MS has pushed to market and what is still left many will surprise. Almost all is today out of support and forgotten. With Microsoft everything is so complicated. For a simple task you need tens of lines of code. I become feel sick when I even try to solve something with their asp.net or whatever platform. Now they are pushing their Core platforms but Hello! What is the market share.

                    You better understand MS philosophy when you try figure out their Office365 pricing and what every packet has inside. And when you then compare pricing in Google G-suite you understand that nothing with MS just can not be simple.

                    Now few words how MS has treated their Access customers. First they pushed to SQL server backend. And after 2 years they said: Smile, we pull support now off. Forget SQL Server now but we will give you new connectors. There seems to be few new now (OData Feed, Dynamics CRM, Salesforce and Amazon Redshift + dbase )connectors for Access now but PowerApps has tens of them also SQL Server and they are all thouse you would like to have also in Access and you just wonder why they are not also in Access.

                    Many Thanks to Alpha it has Node.
                    Last edited by kkfin; 12-03-2017, 07:43 AM.

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                      #11
                      Re: Access/Sharepoint

                      You have to view MS Access for what it is - a front end desktop application builder....and that is it. Use Alpha to develop your web front end and mobile apps. Keep it simple. One thing I learned a long time ago with MS Access was to only use core features that are still available in mdb and accdb, and ignore everything else. PowerApps suffers from the same problem as Access to Sharepoint - they want you to use their subscription platform in order to play. Way too limiting for most clients for my taste.

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                        Re: Access/Sharepoint

                        Originally posted by WebDesignShop View Post
                        You have to view MS Access for what it is - a front end desktop application builder....and that is it. Use Alpha to develop your web front end and mobile apps. Keep it simple. One thing I learned a long time ago with MS Access was to only use core features that are still available in mdb and accdb, and ignore everything else. PowerApps suffers from the same problem as Access to Sharepoint - they want you to use their subscription platform in order to play. Way too limiting for most clients for my taste.
                        The fact is that many many companies use Office365 in their daily tasks. So Sharepoint365 is also available.
                        And the fact is that Access is today and was in past a tool to create database applications for desktop. But there was a few years period that Access did also use SQL Server as backend and you could publish your Access application as an Office365 Sharepoint List. This is not possible for example with Alpha.

                        Everyone can create Office365 Sharepoint lists online. But to create Sharepoint list that really do something and has business intelligence and rules and use for example lookup tables is not anymore so easy. In fact it is difficult and there is a big learning curve. But this was possible using Access so why not use it. Using business rules and workflows one could create very nice Sharepoint lists that automates company processes. And PowerApps makes these lists available also for mobile devices.

                        Alpha can use SQL Server data so using Alpha you could integrate your Alpha to all that explained in above. You can still do it but you now need to use something else than Access to create complex Sharepoint365 lists.

                        The best part in Office365 or Google G-suite is that they are running in subscription model. Now any company can for example have Sharepoint and have up to date office applications and professional email and data protection solutions. You pay just what you need and all hard things are done by Microsoft or Google. And Access did cost 100$ if you did not get it with your plan.

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