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  • Here We Are.! Where to Next?

    If I am missing something here, PLEASE, correct me.

    1. AA can only be purchased at the $999 price.
    2. It does/does not include Runtime.
    3. WAS also costs $999
    4. It does/does not include Runtime.
    5. If a new customer purchases AA the cost will be $999 and only a license for AA developer is issued?
    6. It's not clear if Runtime is included or not. Yes/No?

    10-4?
    TYVM :) kenn

    Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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    Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

    Found on the main page
    The Alpha Anywhere Application Server is used to deploy the mobile and web applications you have created with the Alpha Anywhere Developer Edition. The Alpha Anywhere Application Server also includes a free Runtime Server for the distribution of your Windows desktop applications.
    also
    Remember that during our introductory period, an Application Server license is included with your Developer Edition purchase.
    Not sure how/why
    Dave Mason
    dave@aldadesktop.com
    Skype is dave.mason46

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    • #3
      Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

      Yes, I saw that. It certainly is confusing.
      TYVM :) kenn

      Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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        Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

        Originally posted by DaveM View Post
        Found on the main page
        The Alpha Anywhere Application Server is used to deploy the mobile and web applications you have created with the Alpha Anywhere Developer Edition. The Alpha Anywhere Application Server also includes a free Runtime Server for the distribution of your Windows desktop applications.
        Alpha's intent is definitely to push the web development aspects of Alpha and is probably why they have it worded that way. In reality as an independent developer having the Developer Edition alone is like having a set of keys with no car to go with it so you need either a runtime or WAS as well if you wish to deploy what you create.

        I know in earlier versions such as 10.5 and lower you could purchase each separately. With the release of V11 it seemed that Alpha was only going to have the subscription based plan but if you dug real hard you could still find a web page to just buy what you wanted Ala-cart. With the subscription you where to get it all including feature packs. With both 10.5 and 11, I purchased those outright and still got all updates while they where being supported although I did not get any feature packs unless I purchased them separately.

        When I purchased a subscription to Alpha V12 I was told by Dave that because V12 was subscription only, all feature packs where built in unlike earlier versions. I also received 3 download links and 3 license numbers, one for the developer edition, one for the WAS and one for the runtime. As for how they word it, it really does not mater if they say you get a free WAS with the Runtime or you get a free Runtime with the WAS, it is all the same.

        As for buying outright or a subscription, if you look at Alpha's track record of stopping support of earlier versions once a new version was released, it really seems to be about the same thing. Unless they keep developing V12 for several years it would be safe to say that once they go into beta for V13 (or X3 if they are superstitious) they will stop updates for V12. In the 3 years I have been using Alpha they have had 3 version levels if that tells you anything so a subscription really works out almost as if you had just purchased a version level.

        Getting a subscription now and getting a free 4 core WAS and free runtime is a marketing thing as I stated earlier just having the Developer edition alone is almost useless unless you are building a app just for yourself. The free WAS was supposed to have ended last week but now they have extended it. This is something Alpha does a lot and because the Developer edition alone is not an option for most developers I cannot see Alpha ever ending some all inclusive deal of one kind or the other.

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          Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

          You can buy the desktop only and it will include the runtime - contact sales. I know because I bought it that way.
          Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
          972 524 8714
          martin_w_cole@msn.com

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          • #6
            Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

            To Preston,

            No one should go by old website information but rather what's on the 'official' web site. That is what rules. That is what one goes by. Currently, it does lack a bit of clarity, hence this thread. I did send an email to Richard and hopefully, will get clarification.

            To Martin,

            Yes, I know others who have purchased that way as well. I believe you are entitled to bug fixes for 1 year from date of purchase but does that include updates as well? The question is, what's the difference between that and the $999 subscription? If the prior includes updates, then, in effect, one has a subscription, correct?
            TYVM :) kenn

            Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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            • #7
              Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

              Originally posted by forskare View Post
              To Preston,

              No one should go by old website information but rather what's on the 'official' web site. That is what rules. That is what one goes by. Currently, it does lack a bit of clarity, hence this thread. I did send an email to Richard and hopefully, will get clarification.
              I did not say go by old website information. I said what used to be offered by Alpha and then what Dave McCormick told me last week. When I asked about the Report Server Selwyn Rabins responded that it is built in now. The references to what used to be on the website was just to point out what I have seen change from when I first started using Alpha to what they are doing today.

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              • #8
                Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                Originally posted by forskare View Post
                If the prior includes updates, then, in effect, one has a subscription, correct?
                Basically, you are correct. But I believe a subscription does offer a few bonuses in the year the both would be valid above the straightout purchase. Although I couldn't mention them since I do not have a subscription but purchased the product with 1 year of updates. But I do know that subscribers are getting e-mails with certain content that (let's call them) "purchasers" do not get.
                The question however is why you would purchase a subscription above purchasing straightout. I didn't...... and when enough changes, I'll (maybe) purchase again.....

                I also know, that the change from "subscription only" to having a system where you could also purchase WAS made quite instantly after it appeared that the "subscription only" system was not going to work. Alpha does have a track record of making snap decisions that way. Mostly it's only later when the problems occur that those snap decisions created. The fact that there does not seem to be much reason to purchase a subscription anymore does seem to be one of those "problems". Just saying.... dunno.....

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                  Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                  Yup, and that is one reason why I started this thread and sent an email to Richard. I have had 2 subscriptions thus far and as best I can remember, there has only been one item that was released for subscribers only and that was not to long after the subscriptions first began. Frankly, I see no need whatsoever for a subscription. At lest, Alpha has not been able to communicate that message to me, you and many others. For some reason, Alpha's always had a tough time coming up with a pricing strategy. Coming up with all these sales does not help the situation.

                  Sale after sale can indicate instability. sales are extended for one reason only, it flopped. If its successful, there is not need to extend it nor should it be. Extended sales send the wrong message, a message of failure and insecurity. Insecure that it flopped and trying a last gasp effort. Customers need to now a vendor is of their word. End the sale and move on. Extending sales as often as Alpha has done has promulgated a feeling of , why buy now, even it it ends, they'll just extend it or bring it back in a few weeks. Sales deadlines are for creating a sense of urgency and when they are not kept, that sense is GONE!!!!
                  Last edited by forskare; 03-24-2014, 01:59 PM.
                  TYVM :) kenn

                  Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                    Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                    You can buy the desktop only and it will include the runtime - contact sales. I know because I bought it that way.
                    was that v12 (AA) Martin?
                    I've just mailed sales - as many times as I read the offerings I interpret DT runtime attached to the WAS purchase.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                      I talked to sales in February and they sold me the DT version and the Runtime. I did not get the web server. It included one year of updates.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                        Originally posted by Vince McGinnis View Post
                        I talked to sales in February and they sold me the DT version and the Runtime. I did not get the web server. It included one year of updates.
                        I wonder why you did not get the web server. At the time it was free included to the developer.

                        But the logic today seems to be that if desktop developer needs to have runtime he needs to buy Was server and gets runtime free.

                        So I suppose that if web developer needs to have Was server he has to buy runtime and then gets server free.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                          That is flawed logic. It assumes there is a need for WAS. DT does not need it.
                          TYVM :) kenn

                          Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                            Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                            Originally posted by forskare View Post
                            That is flawed logic. It assumes there is a need for WAS. DT does not need it.
                            You can always sell it if you get it as a bargain. Many are ready to pay it 999 alone.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Here We Are.! Where to Next?

                              Ray,
                              Yes it was V12. I bought a subscription that DID NOT include the WAS - significantly less that the full monty.
                              The main thing is that if you want anything contact your salesman[/U].
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                              972 524 8714
                              martin_w_cole@msn.com

                              ____________________
                              "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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