I posted this in a conversation in A5 v10, and then realized it is more appropriate in v12 where more users will see it. Is there a way to place the "a_tbl.is_record_locked()" as a filter in an operation (without converting the operation to an Xbasic loop) so that it just skips the record that is locked?
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I posted this in a conversation in A5 v10, and then realized it is more appropriate in v12 where more users will see it. Is there a way to place the "a_tbl.is_record_locked()" as a filter in an operation (without converting the operation to an Xbasic loop) so that it just skips the record that is locked?Tags: None
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Sorry but more info needed.
Usually Alpha handles record locking in a distributed environment like Runtime and with Network Optimisation.
This should be the same in V10.5.
So.
How is your system set up?
Are you specifically asking about V10, or 10.5?
Why are you trying to skip around locked records anyway?
What is your ideal scenario?See our Hybrid Option here;
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Ted --
Thank you for your prompt response. We are using A5 version 12 build 4119. The application was written for a single (desktop) user, but now we have a master and a shadow setup at some locations. When the shadow opens a certain form, it prevents the master from completing an update operation on the table that is used in the form opened by the shadow. The master reports that the table is in use.
I have been able to program around the problem for some operations by converting the operation to an Xbasic loop, testing to see if the record is locked, and then skipping that record. However, it would be a lot easier if I could just install a filter on the operation to skip locked records. Is there an easy way to do this?
-- Dick James
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It looks a lot like a design issue, Dick.
Look around the Form you are having issues with for any setting of EXCLUSIVE which will lock out records.
It will be set somewhere as File.open(). Look in the documentation for that "Method".
Unfortunately single use systems can be problematic when simply distributed. You are using Network Optimisation I assume from your use of the term "Shadowed"?See our Hybrid Option here;
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Ted --
It is definitely a bad design. I was new to Alpha when I began developing this application, and I primarily used action scripts to get started. I'll take a look at the Xbasic behind the action scripts to see how the forms are being opened. That may be a good interim solution.
We are using our application at about 30 locations, and fewer than 10 are multiuser. Most of those users have learned to work around the contention issue, but it is annoying for new users.
Accordingly, we are developing a replacement system in Alpha designed for multiple users. However, the progress has been slow. We were able to convert our data base to SQL fairly quickly, but the redevelopment of the forms to UXs to display properly in a browser has been challenging. We also are finding that our forms with a large number of fields seem to load slowly when all of the fields are placed in one UX. We will probably have to break up those forms into multiple UXs for each form.
I would still be interested in knowing if it is possible to place a filter on an operation called by an action script where the filter instructs the operation to skip locked records. That would temporarily eliminate the problem of the application occasionally "hanging". The skipped records will always be updated at the end of the day when the DB is backed up and only the master has use of the DB.
Thanks.
-- Dick James
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Dick, a couple of ideas for you.
I'm assuming you're using native Alpha tables (DBF).
1) It would be helpful if you could explain / show your code that "skips" the "locked" record. I know that the table is opened when the form is opened, but opening the form does not (I think) lock any records. That occurs when a change begins or a new record is started. What may be happening is that your particular operation needs "exclusive" use of the table, and fails whether an edit or enter is in process. I suspect it would fail if the table was "open" anywhere on the network, regardless of the data entry mode of the form.
2) You can test for "table in use" before running your operation. Check the docs for the table.in_use() function.
3) Be careful with using the word "operation" here. Longtime Alpha Five / Alpha Anywhere users infer that this refers to a "saved operation", found on the Operations tab of the desktop control panel. However, the word "operation" can also mean an xbasic script that steps through a series of records one at a time, and modifies them or skips them as appropriate. One way to distinguish "saved operations" from scripts that process records in sequence (in this forum) is to mention the operation "type" in the post. i.e. append, post, update, export, etc.
I hope this is helpful and wish you success with your project.
-- tom
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Tom --
We have been using DBF tables. The operations are update operations created by the genie that can be used to create the operation and then called with one action script command. The Xbasic code that is created by the genie looks like this:
Code:'opnClearUpgradeValues -- saved update operation. a_tbl = table.open("tblunitinformation") ON ERROR GOTO ERROR13092021091030293 DIM a5_operation_order as C a5_operation_order = "" query.order = a5_operation_order DIM a5_operation_filter as C a5_operation_filter = ".T." query.filter = a5_operation_filter query.options = "I" query.description = "Temporary Query" i_indx = a_tbl.query_create("N") update.fields = 12 update.field1 = "XFEATURE1VALUE" update.expr1 = "if(XFEATURE1EXPIRES<=date(),0,XFEATURE1VALUE)" update.field2 = "XFEATURE2VALUE" update.expr2 = "if(XFEATURE2EXPIRES<=date(),0,XFEATURE2VALUE)" update.field3 = "XFEATURE3VALUE" update.expr3 = "if(XFEATURE3EXPIRES<=date(),0,XFEATURE3VALUE)" update.field4 = "XFEATURE4VALUE" update.expr4 = "if(XFEATURE4EXPIRES<=date(),0,XFEATURE4VALUE)" update.field5 = "XFEATURE1" update.expr5 = "if(XFEATURE1EXPIRES<=date(),\"\",XFEATURE1)" update.field6 = "XFEATURE2" update.expr6 = "if(XFEATURE2EXPIRES<=date(),\"\",XFEATURE2)" update.field7 = "XFEATURE3" update.expr7 = "if(XFEATURE3EXPIRES<=date(),\"\",XFEATURE3)" update.field8 = "XFEATURE4" update.expr8 = "if(XFEATURE4EXPIRES<=date(),\"\",XFEATURE4)" update.field9 = "XFEATURE1EXPIRES" update.expr9 = "if(XFEATURE1EXPIRES<=date(),{//},XFEATURE1EXPIRES)" update.field10 = "XFEATURE2EXPIRES" update.expr10 = "if(XFEATURE2EXPIRES<=date(),{//},XFEATURE2EXPIRES)" update.field11 = "XFEATURE3EXPIRES" update.expr11 = "if(XFEATURE3EXPIRES<=date(),{//},XFEATURE3EXPIRES)" update.field12 = "XFEATURE4EXPIRES" update.expr12 = "if(XFEATURE4EXPIRES<=date(),{//},XFEATURE4EXPIRES)" a_tbl.update() GOTO CONTINUE13092021091030293 ERROR13092021091030293: ON ERROR GOTO 0 ui_msg_box("Error","Error running Update Operation"+crlf()+error_text_get()) END CONTINUE13092021091030293: a_tbl.close()'If the Operation is run from within a Form or Browse, then refresh the window if is_object(topparent.this) then if topparent.Class() = "form" .or. topparent.class() = "browse" then topparent.Refresh_layout() end if end if '-------------------- End of saved update operation.
Code:'scrClearUpgradeValues -- saved update script. a_tbl = table.open("tblunitinformation") ON ERROR GOTO ERROR07082021132346737 'debug(1) a_tbl.fetch_first() while .not. a_tbl.fetch_eof()[INDENT]If a_tbl.is_record_locked() then[/INDENT][INDENT=2]goto lblGetNext[/INDENT][INDENT]end if if a_tbl.xfeature1expires <= date() then[/INDENT][INDENT=2]a_tbl.change_begin() a_tbl.xfeature1value= 0 a_tbl.xfeature1 = "" a_tbl.xfeature1expires = { / / } a_tbl.change_end(.t.)[/INDENT][INDENT]end if if a_tbl.xfeature2expires <= date() then[/INDENT][INDENT=2]a_tbl.change_begin() a_tbl.xfeature2value= 0 a_tbl.xfeature2 = "" a_tbl.xfeature2expires = { / / } a_tbl.change_end(.t.)[/INDENT][INDENT]end if if a_tbl.xfeature3expires <= date() then[/INDENT][INDENT=2]a_tbl.change_begin() a_tbl.xfeature3value= 0 a_tbl.xfeature3 = "" a_tbl.xfeature3expires = { / / } a_tbl.change_end(.t.)[/INDENT][INDENT]end if if a_tbl.xfeature4expires <= date() then[/INDENT][INDENT=2]a_tbl.change_begin() a_tbl.xfeature4value= 0 a_tbl.xfeature4 = "" a_tbl.xfeature4expires = { / / } a_tbl.change_end(.t.)[/INDENT][INDENT]end if[/INDENT] lblGetNext:[INDENT]a_tbl.fetch_next()[/INDENT] end while a_tbl.close() end ERROR07082021132346737: ON ERROR GOTO 0 ui_msg_box("Error","Error running Update Operation"+crlf()+error_text_get()) a_tbl.close()'If the Operation is run from within a Form or Browse, then refresh the window end '------------------ End of saved update script.
Thanks for your input.
-- Dick James
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Hello Dick,
Have you considered using WEB components on the desktop? You can build a UX component and connect the component to a dbf table using an ODBC connection string. With minimal changes, the same component in the future can then be connected to a SQL table.
NOTE: you can run WEB components inside of the desktop. You do not have to run them in a browser.
You do not need to use an ODBC connection string. In this case, you will need to write your own xbasic code to submit data to the table. This is the same as using an xdialog as a form for data input.
The problem with using forms is as you said, a user will put the form in either enter or change mode which will lock the record. And then they go get coffee.
In my simple way of thinking, UX components are the WEB version of an xdialog where when the component is opened, it reads from the table and then closes the connection. Changes can be made to the UX but they are only sent to the table when the data is submitted. So in each case, reading or writing, the connection is in milliseconds.Alpha 5 Version 11
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Ron --
We (my IT guy and me) have found the development of UXs to replace our forms was slow-going. We started off trying to create UXs that were responsive design. We probably should have created them as absolute containers.
In my original post I was inquiring as to whether there was a way to put a filter on an update operation created by a genie that would instruct the saved operation to skip locked records. Evidently, this is not easily done.
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Dick,
If the records you wish to update are only the 'expired' ones and they're not going to be updated/in use by the second user, then you can filter your update operation by these fields and just clear those few - you'd need 4 operations looking at your existing code...
Code:a_tbl = table.open("tblunitinformation") ON ERROR GOTO ERROR13092021091030293 DIM a5_operation_order as C a5_operation_order = "" query.order = a5_operation_order DIM a5_operation_filter as C a5_operation_filter = "XFEATURE1EXPIRES<=date()" query.filter = a5_operation_filter query.options = "I" query.description = "Temporary Query" i_indx = a_tbl.query_create("N") update.fields = 1 update.field1 = "XFEATURE1VALUE" update.expr1 = "0" update.field2 = "XFEATURE1" update.expr2 = "" update.field3 = "XFEATURE1EXPIRES" update.expr3 = "{//}" a_tbl.update() GOTO CONTINUE13092021091030293 ERROR13092021091030293: ON ERROR GOTO 0 ui_msg_box("Error","Error running Update Operation"+crlf()+error_text_get()) END CONTINUE13092021091030293: a_tbl.close()
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In pseudo code, the logic could be;
While record not locked
Update records
End while
It should be relatively easy, but it's possibly a syntax issue.
I use a different toolkit for web front ends or hybrids, so as far as your web development goes, Greg is probably a whole lot more AA competent.
Having said that, I am sure there is a way around this.See our Hybrid Option here;
https://hybridapps.example-software.com/
Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.
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Been doing more testing on my version of Alpha.
Created an Operation to add random numbers to a table.
This was using the standard Update featuire and a batch process.
Created a Code script to open and close the table;
tbl = table.current()
tbl.change_begin()
tbl.change_end(.T.)
Attached this to a button as 2 Action Scripting events - open close first, create random number second.
Opened 5 versions of the form and tried various stages of add/change/delete on each
Last form, clicked the button. It all worked. The update process completed and left the unfinished records as they were.
BUT. If there is a browse on the form, then the trouble starts and the Operation will not complete and there is an error.
See our Hybrid Option here;
https://hybridapps.example-software.com/
Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.
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