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  • #46
    Re: new ..calendar component in v11

    I have to add too that at $499 and the usage we have, this is not a good investment, nor can we even afford to to add the component. If they would come up with an education/non-profit price we may be able to do business. It works for Adobe!
    David Shaw
    Manager of Media Services and User Support
    Cleveland Museum of Art
    Cleveland, Ohio

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    • #47
      Re: new ..calendar component in v11

      Ohhhhh - and Web2Cal is email only for contact! No phone number. When I'm looking for software, I never ever ever consider that a good sign.
      Wendy Welton
      Architect
      past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

      http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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      • #48
        Re: new ..calendar component in v11

        I can understand the surprise that we have to pay a fee for the license because it never was made quite clear when they first discussed V11. But for a small fee you are adding a ton of functionality that would take you months to write yourself. No one works for free these days so if you were going to charge your customer $1000 to implement it you will have covered the cost for the license as well as made a few dollars. The customer will also be very happy because you would have turned the project around in a very short period of time

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        • #49
          Re: new ..calendar component in v11

          While this is a great buy for a developer who can pass along the pricing to his clients, individuals, or small groups like ourselves, who are also non-profit, have a very hard time justifying this against gained functionality. In other words, if we can live without it, we do. print a FREE report, and live with that. Now, if I had an unlimited grant to fund these initiatives, this would probably not even enter into the conversation.
          David Shaw
          Manager of Media Services and User Support
          Cleveland Museum of Art
          Cleveland, Ohio

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          • #50
            Re: new ..calendar component in v11

            Well - there is a little good news for at least some of you guys - they have a free version for non-profits. Just check out their web site.
            Wendy Welton
            Architect
            past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

            http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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            • #51
              Re: new ..calendar component in v11

              To cast a somewhat different opinion, it seems that a calendar with all these features is amazingly priced. If I understand it correctly, for 499 we can use it with unlimited users, as long as it is one web site (i.e. domain), correct? Seems like a great deal considering the hours it would take to create one on our own, that likely wouldn't be as good.

              Am I missing something?
              Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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              • #52
                Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                WOW - thanks for the research Wendy. That makes a big difference. Again too, it does save time and programming and IS a fantastic addition to V11, but when a non-profit has to watch every penny and cannot pass along these costs, something has to give. For example, my capitol budget request was for $36k for updates, upgrades etc - We were approved for $3500 ! We most certainly appreciate any help we can get from vendors to squeeze more blood from the turnips.
                David Shaw
                Manager of Media Services and User Support
                Cleveland Museum of Art
                Cleveland, Ohio

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                • #53
                  Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                  Originally posted by drgarytraub View Post
                  To cast a somewhat different opinion, it seems that a calendar with all these features is amazingly priced. If I understand it correctly, for 499 we can use it with unlimited users, as long as it is one web site (i.e. domain), correct? Seems like a great deal considering the hours it would take to create one on our own, that likely wouldn't be as good.

                  Am I missing something?
                  Gary - if all of your business is under one domain -the licensing scheme is no big deal, as you say. In fact, it's quite fair. What Wendy (and I ) are pointing out is this: Some of us are independent folks with a zillion SMALL customers. Each with their own domain. For them, it's NOT the same value proposition. Hopefully that makes sense???

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                  • #54
                    Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                    Originally posted by Jeff Blackwell View Post
                    Gary - if all of your business is under one domain -the licensing scheme is no big deal, as you say. In fact, it's quite fair. What Wendy (and I ) are pointing out is this: Some of us are independent folks with a zillion SMALL customers. Each with their own domain. For them, it's NOT the same value proposition. Hopefully that makes sense???
                    Bingo. If I'm developing a big application for a medium sized company with 300 employees, the math works fine, is even compelling. If I'm developing small applications for 100 companies trying to get ahead in the worst economy in our lifetimes, with 3-5 employees each, the math just doesn't work.
                    Wendy Welton
                    Architect
                    past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                    http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                    • #55
                      Response to my inquiry to Web2Cal

                      There's a little bit of good news in this - apparently the $650 version on their web site is $450 to A5 users - a fact I don't see listed or posted anywhere (bolding below is mine). Maybe it is posted somewhere and I missed it, but....

                      Hello Wendy,

                      Thank you for your interest in our product.

                      Firstly, The price per domain and its sub-domain is $449 for Alpha users vs $649 for regular users. For Bulk licensing, do you have a number of licenses you are interested in? We can schedule a call when we have the license numbers to arrive at the best deal.

                      Feel free to contact us, if you have further questions

                      Thank you,
                      Sam Paul,
                      Web2Cal Sales
                      sales@web2cal.com | www.web2cal.com
                      (o) 732-354-1477 | (f) 425-955-5832

                      From this I gather that if we wanted to pursue a bulk price, we'd need a head count to start the discussions. Either post here or shoot me an email - wendy@artform.biz

                      Notice that under any bulk pricing, any support requests would have to come from one source. So we'd have to pick someone, and maybe the rest chip in a bit more and that person a bit less...

                      The way I see it, we have a short term issue and a long term issue. In the short term, there are folks who made promises to clients not expecting to pay per domain, even if they did catch the part about third party licensing. They have an immediate need to bring their projects in on budget, or at least stem the bleeding - that's what this thought is about.

                      web2cal_pricing.png
                      Wendy Welton
                      Architect
                      past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                      http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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                      • #56
                        Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                        Well that's $200 off the 2nd tier, which is 30% off, and good, and might work for me. But is this the only discount? Many will just want the single domain only. Bringing that down 30%, to $250 would be even better for many here. I haven't contacted them myself on this issue, yet.

                        With a bulk purchase, I think there could be an email set up that is used just for this. Then whoever is "in charge" of that email, possibly 2 or more people, could copy any question into an outgoing email to the company, and any incoming could be forwarded to everyone who joins into this bulk purchase. This might not be so bad considering some people could have questions or issues, and it could be resolved with another person's request for help. Although they do have a forum over there, and probably most issues we have will come to and through Alpha.

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                        • #57
                          Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                          Agreed that most issues will be coming through Alpha anyway, since they are handling the integration.

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                          • #58
                            Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                            Why don't you pool about 200+/- each for someone to develope this calendar in and for Alpha? Web side only or web and desktop. I believe it can be done without too much hassle. I even did a small version in v7(I think). It was not good enough for what you wnat, but it handled vacations and schedules. Fact is, it was kinda poor. It worked though. Memory issues got in the way of making larger back then. That was desktop! I have never attempted for the web, but I bet there are several here who could do it if the reward was there.

                            As an aside, one of the salespeople that called me said that the calendar was included. I asked if it was to work on desktop and the answer was yes. He also said I could develope my desktop app and use it with an ipod/ipad or whatever they call them. Needless to say, the trust went right out the bottom.

                            Well, yall do what you want. I am behind on other things, but I am going to dig up that calendar I was working on and see if there is any hope of betterment and growth.
                            Last edited by DaveM; 10-27-2011, 12:00 AM.
                            Dave Mason
                            dave@aldadesktop.com
                            Skype is dave.mason46

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                            • #59
                              Re: new ..calendar component in v11

                              It has been running through my head that a calendar could be designed on a grid. There could also be a team effort on a calendar. Kind of an "Alpha" open source project.

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                              • #60
                                Wendy's goin' all off road!

                                Dave,

                                I've been thinking exactly that. I've started a thread over at the IADN forum, 'cause that's the home of similar things, like the template and the drop in shopping cart.

                                http://forum.alphadevnet.com/index.php?topic=342.0
                                Wendy Welton
                                Architect
                                past & future Alphaholic - deliberately falling off the wagon!

                                http://www.artformhomeplans.com/

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