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  • "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

    I say it's misleading because the term "Unlimited users" also implies unlimited apps - as supported by this marketing blurb:

    "The Alpha Five Application Server (AFAS) allows you to deploy the web applications you build in Alpha Five so that others can access them. "

    After searching this forum for info on multiple web apps it appears that AFAS cannot run multiple applications on different domains unless we use IIS (or Apache) to redirect traffic to a somewhat convoluted undocumented WAS configuration...

    If Alpha allows it's AFAS users to run multiple apps on a single server then why must we struggle with undocumented work arounds to make it happen?

    How about fixing the product? :)

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    Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

    I think by the term "users" they mean users, and in fact that is true.

    But, if they do decide to "fix" the program, then lets get all of us on the message board together, buy one copy of alpha5, put it on a big server and run all our applications. Of course, Alpha might have to raise their price to $10,000,000 per copy!

    Pat
    Pat Bremkamp
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    • #3
      Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

      Perhaps somebody from Alpha can answer this question:

      "If Alpha allows it's AFAS users to run multiple apps on a single server then why must we struggle with undocumented work arounds to make it happen?"

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        Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

        This is not a technology issue it is a licensing issue

        The Alpha Five Application server is designed to let you have an unlimited number of users on a server for a given domain - which in fact is a very liberal licensing approach.

        As Pat Brempkamp correctly states it was never our intent to let multiple companies with multiple domains to share 1 server.

        If you look at the pricing of the Alpha Five tool set for building and deploying web apps as compared to other tools, we think you will find the pricing incredibly reasonable.

        If there are technical "work arounds" that let you have multiple companies/domains working off 1 server, that does not mean that this is complying with the license and the intent of the license.

        If you have a business need to have many domains and companies running Alpha Five applications please email marketing@alphasoftware.com and we can offer custom pricing that will meet your needs.
        Richard Rabins
        Co Chairman
        Alpha Software

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          Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

          Yes Richard, your pricing is very reasonable - but still, people need to be made aware exactly what they get for their money. You sell an unlimited desktop applications license alongside this AFAS "unlimited user - one SERVER" license and so it's no wonder that people would assume there are no DOMAIN restrictions - especially since you don't mention it anywhere in the marketing blurb.

          Notice the use of plural "applications" in the blurb below with no hint of it being for only ONE domain.

          "The Alpha Five Application Server (AFAS) allows you to deploy the web applications you build in Alpha Five so that others can access them. "

          Richard, with all due respect, it would help if you made it clear in your marketing blurb that these "applications" are for "for a SINGLE domain" not as it currently reads which implies no such restriction.

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            Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

            Even though I was not confused by how the licensing was stated, I think John has a valid point regarding the wording used especially when such a small change in wording would take away any ambiguity....best to catch and straighten this out early on, unlike the ambiguous v8 runtime wording (of which there were several!) that was not "caught" until relatively very late.
            Mike
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              Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

              thanks for the feedback!
              Richard Rabins
              Co Chairman
              Alpha Software

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              • #8
                Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                +1 on the ability to run multiple applications on one server.
                Thanks,

                Roderick Silva
                rodericksilva@gmail.com

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                • #9
                  Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                  Originally posted by Richard Rabins View Post
                  thanks for the feedback!
                  It's 5 months later and NOTHING has changed? You're STILL sending out the misleading blurb that states:

                  "The Alpha Five Application Server (AFAS) allows you to deploy the web applications you build in Alpha Five so that others can access them. "

                  You actually WANT people to think or assume they can deploy multiple applications (plural) on a web server and you OMIT the fact that your AFAS will only deploy a single application (singular) restricted to only ONE domain name.

                  It's dishonest marketing.

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                  • #10
                    Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                    I read heavy words in terms of misleading. If you look at the price for A5 Applcation Server you get more value for money then other products on the market.
                    Alternative of course you can go to open source and choose a product, do all the thinks you want in every perspective, don't nagg about support etc.
                    For that price you have support, update, forum, your exclusive member of the Alpha 5 developers network :) and you only have to wait for V10 with Ajax;).
                    Conclusion : Let everyone make a living incl. Alpha company, nobody wants to eat from the Salvation Army

                    Eric

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                    • #11
                      Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                      How is this "All-in-one Developer's Bundle" blurb NOT misleading?

                      "EVERYTHING you need to build and deploy an unlimited number of desktop applications and interactive websites for an unlimited number of users per server!"

                      Suppose the "Developer" plans to develop 20 websites?

                      No mention anywhere that AFAS is only for ONE website - ONE domain - ONE server.

                      Regardless of price - why can't ALPHA make this "ONE" FACT clear?

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                        Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                        How is this "All-in-one Developer's Bundle" blurb NOT misleading?

                        "EVERYTHING you need to build and deploy an unlimited number of desktop applications and interactive websites for an unlimited number of users per server!"

                        Suppose the "Developer" plans to develop 20 websites?

                        No mention anywhere that AFAS is only for ONE website - ONE domain - ONE server.
                        Unsure of commercial law where you are, but from what little I know a Judge here would find this as "Puffery" by omission of details, and not misleading.
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                        As a purchaser we are expected to check the necessary details of a product before payment, thus Alpha gives a 30 day right for refund. Thus you have 30 days to discover all the details not used in the publicity.
                        However for most of us once we are 30 days into a product, the loss of time to move to an alternative product far outweighs the cost of the licences.
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                        True if I was reselling Alpha, I'd like to call it a Single Domain, Single Machine licence. But I'm not.

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                          Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                          Originally posted by ColinJD View Post
                          True if I was reselling Alpha, I'd like to call it a Single Domain, Single Machine licence. But I'm not.
                          So Colin, you'd be honest and call it what it is... same as most people would.

                          Does Richard Rabins or anyone at AlphaFive have any comment?

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                            Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                            I hate to broaden this, but you can have as many domains and websites as you want on a single server. As far as I know, Alpha's web application server - by itself - will not accommodate this, but you can use Apache or IIS to accomplish this task, called virtual hosting; search for http.conf if you want to find help on this. Others have spoken about DNS arrangements where the DNS points to the subfolder, but I cannot find any evidence of this (that would let you point www.myapp21.com to a particular Alpha project on the server.)

                            On a multi-node server, each operating as a VPS, you would need one copy of the App server running for each partition.
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                              Re: "Unlimited number of users" - misleading?

                              Steve,

                              I am not sure I understand what the issue is.

                              If you have an application running on your server with this sample ip address:

                              http://61.13.15.201:8080/myapp1/index.a5w

                              and then have another app published to a separate folder and point to it as:

                              http://61.13.15.201:8080/myapp2/index.a5w

                              That works for me. I have no use for that myself, but I just tested it by using the same ip for my application but then also creating another to point to the Web_Applications_Demo_V9, which ships with v9, and that I have installed in a separate folder under the webroot on my server.

                              Am I missing the point?

                              Gary
                              Gary S. Traub, Ph.D.

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