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  • A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

    I am considering leasing a dedicated server from Hostgator to run a number of websites. Many of these sites will utilize my A5V9 Platinum with the Web Server App installed on the dedicated server. I have 4 questions.

    1. Should I expect any performance degradation if I run multiple domain websites (approximately 40 or more over multiple IP addresses) on this server?

    2. Is anyone aware of A5W pages posing any stumbling blocks to search engines in relation to SEO issues?

    3. Server will run Windows 1024mb of ram... is there a significant advantage to a Dual Core 3040 Xeon processor over a Pentium 4, 2.4G processor?

    4. Anyone have any direct experience working with Hostgator and Alpha together?

    Haven't been able to find these answers on the forums, but I could just be a bucket head in my searches.

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    Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

    Hopefully someone else will add to my comments since everyone's experience is a bit different in this area.

    1 - total users hitting the server at the same time, and the intensity of their request is the performance key. If a couple guys are running a CPU or Disk intensive activity, maybe a filtered report on 50,000 records or a large import procedure, your other users are going to feel the pinch. Increasing the RAM will help if that problem appears. Knowing your LOGS is also key to understanding what is happening.

    1a) You did not ask this question, but it is my understanding that Alpha will ask you for a valid App Server License for each of those 40 website. Plus there is no 'official' method to run more than one domain on an Alpha server, although several developers are doing it.

    2 - I find my website indexed properly on Google. I do provide sitemap.xml files to them, but they would index them anyway. If anything, my web apps are indexed too much and I have to be dilligent with my my robots.txt to inhibit some directories and to prohibit completely on work-in-progress for some client.

    3 - search the board for more information on dual-core. Mine is d/c but I really don't know if it means anything to Alpha or not. I do know that the server cannot automatically switch from core 1 to 2, but you can set it to run on either one using a function.

    4 - I have not seen Hostgater mentioned on this board. I use servers at theplanet.com and zebrahost.net.

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      Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

      Thanks for the feed back, Steve. Do I understand you correctly that I will need a separate license for each of my websites on the server? I was under the impression that the Web license covered the installation of the app software on a single server machine. I haven't seen anything about each website on the server needing a license. Can you point me to a resource to check that out?

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        Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

        That's why I phrased it as my "understanding". I have not seen that statement made on paper either, or clarified here by an official. But it has been said to me several times by their co-president. So its my understanding based on those conversations. I did just now read the License on the App Server, and it does not mention this restriction. I also think it depends on if the sites are for your own use, or for clients. I don't want to say anthing else about it since it shouldn't be coming from me. However, in my case, the few 'websites' hosted on my server are for applications I wrote for other clients. And in each case I have collected their license information and added it to my server configuration.
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          Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

          Sorry to jump in here guys... but I hope Richard is lurking on this thread.

          It is my understanding, and of course I could be very wrong, that the App Server is licensed PER SERVER... not per anything else... not per user, not per domain, not per application...

          Richard... are you there... hmmm???
          "all things should be as simple as possible... but no simpler"

          Mike

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          • #6
            Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

            Originally posted by michaelwpayton View Post
            Sorry to jump in here guys... but I hope Richard is lurking on this thread.

            It is my understanding, and of course I could be very wrong, that the App Server is licensed PER SERVER... not per anything else... not per user, not per domain, not per application...

            Richard... are you there... hmmm???
            Note this post..
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              Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

              Originally posted by michaelwpayton View Post
              Sorry to jump in here guys... but I hope Richard is lurking on this thread.

              It is my understanding, and of course I could be very wrong, that the App Server is licensed PER SERVER... not per anything else... not per user, not per domain, not per application...

              Richard... are you there... hmmm???
              That is certainly my understanding of this, too!

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              • #8
                Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                Thanks Al. Glad it isn't just in my head.

                I do wish Alpha would take the next step and provide a solid method (with documentation) to do multiple hosting, with some built-in ability to ensure their license is properly followed. I think the only reason a multi-domain strategy is not made more available is the difficulty in securing the appropriate license fees. I think they could even rework the App Server to allow virtual hosting if licensing wasn't an issue. Virtual Hosting capability is "assumed" in the rest of the web sphere.

                I, as a Developer, need to run five or six apps on my one server just for testing and projects-in-works. I wouldn't want to pay a full license for all of those. But I absolutely agree (and do ensure) that any client on my server has a bonified App Server license. I add it to my server config which I believe restricts that license from use elsewhere.
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                  Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                  Wow guys, Richard... this could get very confusing, complicated, hard to manage, hard to sell...

                  What about "multi-tenant apps?" There we would have a single Domain, but I would think that our application design (i.e. one app, running under one Domain, supporting multiple clients/companies) would violate... all-day-long... what appears to be Richard's intent... which is what... "price-per-accessing-company"... and what is that... "a company?"

                  Just thinking out loud... but it occurs to me that the intent here, clearly stated in the license agreement or not, is to limit the number of users. If that's the case, Alpha should just do it... at least it will be clear to all involved... or, they should just do what most others do and merely assume that by having a per-server license... you ARE limiting the number of users.
                  "all things should be as simple as possible... but no simpler"

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                    Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                    Richard's intent... which is what... "price-per-accessing-company"... and what is that... "a company?"
                    I don't interpret Richards words at all like that.
                    To me it seems quite simple,
                    if i have 3 companys lets say GM, Mercedes, and Ford, all sharing a domain to save costs, say, federalfundedcars.com all using A5 on one physical server for whatever purpose, well then they only need one licence.
                    But if KIACars, wished to run newKIACars.Com, and oldKIACars.com, this requires 2 licences.
                    And if opal needed to have the multiple servers eg 1.opal.com, 2.opal.com, and 3.opal then they would require 3 licences.
                    -
                    The easy and probably legal work around is to just run WindowsDC
                    as a content server, although it requires some extra coding.

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                      Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                      I, personally, have no problem with this licensing arrangement. For me, it amounts to paying a reasonable licensing fee for each separate application. At this price, I think this is very fair, at least for the way I want to use the server.

                      But, I wonder what the big deal would be to allow as many domains as could perform reasonably well on one machine. The machine's resources would effectively set a limit on the number of users, domains, whatever. At some point, the performance would suffer, thus "suggesting" the use of a second machine with a second license. So what really would the loss be for alpha? Am I missing something?

                      Gary
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                      • #12
                        Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                        Originally posted by ColinJD View Post
                        I don't interpret Richards words at all like that.
                        To me it seems quite simple,
                        if i have 3 companys lets say GM, Mercedes, and Ford, all sharing a domain to save costs, say, federalfundedcars.com all using A5 on one physical server for whatever purpose, well then they only need one licence.
                        But if KIACars, wished to run newKIACars.Com, and oldKIACars.com, this requires 2 licences.
                        And if opal needed to have the multiple servers eg 1.opal.com, 2.opal.com, and 3.opal then they would require 3 licences.
                        -
                        The easy and probably legal work around is to just run WindowsDC
                        as a content server, although it requires some extra coding.
                        I don't have any problem, whatsoever, with Alpha's pricing or licensing practices... just want to be sure I understand them.

                        However, that being said, I do not understand why accessing a Web site via www.shareddomain.com/company1 and www.shareddomain.com/company2 vs www.company1.com and www.company2.com would/should be of any concern to anyone... especially to my customer/client who I eventually need to have all this make sense to. One server, two Domains or two directories... why are we having this conversation???
                        "all things should be as simple as possible... but no simpler"

                        Mike

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                        • #13
                          Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                          Originally posted by drgarytraub View Post
                          I, personally, have no problem with this licensing arrangement. For me, it amounts to paying a reasonable licensing fee for each separate application. At this price, I think this is very fair, at least for the way I want to use the server.

                          But, I wonder what the big deal would be to allow as many domains as could perform reasonably well on one machine. The machine's resources would effectively set a limit on the number of users, domains, whatever. At some point, the performance would suffer, thus "suggesting" the use of a second machine with a second license. So what really would the loss be for alpha? Am I missing something?

                          Gary
                          Ditto
                          "all things should be as simple as possible... but no simpler"

                          Mike

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                          • #14
                            Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                            However, that being said, I do not understand why accessing a Web site via www.shareddomain.com/company1 and www.shareddomain.com/company2 vs www.company1.com and www.company2.com would/should be of any concern to anyone... especially to my customer/client who I eventually need to have all this make sense to.
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                            Michael, my guess is that as AlphaFive has developed the persons in control had to make a decision as to where to draw a line in the sand.
                            {yes terrible metaphors}. After having drawn the line in the sand they have had to modify their business model, prices and products as such.
                            And they are now stuck with model that makes a distiction between the two scenarios you illustrate. I guess it's not possible to have one suit that fits all.
                            But I think at point of sale it should be spelled out in far stronger terms,
                            one domain, one server licence, to stop this sort of confusion. I bet in a month or two's time a similar post will resurface on this message board.
                            Admitedly until recently I also had thought it was just a one Server licence.

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                            • #15
                              Re: A5V9 Dedicated Web Server Questions

                              I'm sure "the powers that be," Richard, et al... will clarify their position and that position will enable us, as has always been my experience with Alpha, to come to a more than reasonable, mutually beneficial, business arrangement with our clients.
                              "all things should be as simple as possible... but no simpler"

                              Mike

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