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  • christobal
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    If its all going to the clouds them remember "There's a storm brewin" see this news item

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    The article is interesting, no doubt.

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  • mmaisterrena
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    I didnt agree 100% with the article but non the less I thought it was interesting.

    Google and Microsoft are bad?
    Which are the good ones?

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Originally posted by mmaisterrena View Post
    This article may be of your interest

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10...ag=mncol;posts
    Originally posted by Google keeps tripping over Microsoft's grave
    Google, in short, is what open source wants to be when it grows up. It illustrates what a true services company looks like: not support and other old-world services, but instead Web services. Most open-source companies only strive toward this goal. Google has fulfilled it.
    mmaisterrena, thanks for the link. Yes, but Google doesn't respect my privacy. Iron is a clone of Google's Chrome and the developer of Iron found several places in the source code of Chrome where it communicates with Google. Maybe the author is right in the article about Google in comparison with Microsoft but Google is as bad as Microsoft.

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  • mmaisterrena
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    This article may be of your interest

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10...ag=mncol;posts

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Hi,

    I want to thank everyone for taking the time so far to think about this issue and put their two cents to it. I have almost the same thoughts when it comes to this question. What direction should I take, left, right or a marriage of both worlds.

    When talking about cloud computing that is not what I meant. But I personally think that this is the next hype or bubble. The problem is not the technique behind it but the firms. There must be money generated so we are creating something new. Something new is always better and more interesting than what we left behind. Grab some IT-gurus, let them talk about cloud computing and we all follow like sheep's because we all have to eat. I notice that even present things are coming back but now mentioned under the term cloud computing. Old wine in new wine casks.

    And when cloud computing also means that my data is put somewhere over the world I agree with Glen Schild that you should not put your data in a place where you have no control over it. It doesn't care what kind of information. Data at the moment innocent can put you in jail over ten or twenty years when the society changes. At the moment there is no privacy and rules are missing.

    For now I keep the line open for hybrid solutions and embrace the direction Alpha is going. Still I see a market for desktop applications. There is always a demand for isolated environments. As with the money crisis at the moment there will be a data crisis in a few years and everyone will disconnect from the cloud and return to their save isolated environment.

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Originally posted by mmaisterrena View Post
    Sorry but there's no long term future for desktop applications, Browsers will be our Operating Systems by 2016, so we better act upon this. Software will depend less and less on the power of our Personal Computers and more on the power of servers , clusters of servers and the infamous Cloud.
    I hope not that the browser will be our OS, but I do agree that there are less fat clients in the future. I think there are comming more dedicated small computers for specific tasks, just for browsing. Dell introduces now a second tiny os on a laptop that is alway active even when the big processor is shut down. Opening the screen you see a fast activated screen with the most important application running such as email.

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Originally posted by FrankR View Post
    There needed to be at least one more choice to the poll:

    1. No, keep the desktop alive and increase the development at it.
    2. Yes, stop desktop development and focus entirely on Web based solutions.

    3. Going forward, focus more on the web side than the desktop side
    Yes, as I told above already I agree that the poll could be better formulated.

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  • glenschild
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Hi Doug

    Yes I accept it has an internet slant. I can definitely see a place for browser based solutions in an intranet environment especially where many potential users are involved but I guess what I am really saying is that the demise of the desktop based applications is still a long way away!

    There are people on this board still using the dos based Alpha Four, because it works! Smaller based businesses still have a need for standalone systems.

    Don't get me wrong I am not anti WAS far from it, I am developing in that environment where appropriate and v10 os going to really advance things!

    Regards

    Glen

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
    Hi Marcel,

    I haven't opted "in" to your poll. I feel you posed the questions a little one-sided. There is an inherent bias embedded in the questions. You are suggesting an "either/or" scenario. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way the questions are stated. ...

    I'm not criticizing you, just pointing out what I see as a polling flaw.
    You are right. I made the poll late in the evening and the next morning after a good sleep I realized the same you stated. The next time I'll formulate the question more precise.

    Your criticism is always welcome.

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    Originally posted by rleunis View Post
    I think the poll is too black and white...
    Yes, and as Peter further on the thread also stated is to biased, the people however interpreted it very well and the every response is welcome.

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  • Marcel Kollenaar
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    Originally posted by Doug Page View Post
    The way I view things would make the above statement incorrect. You have used the term "web based" twice in this sentence inferring that this is all for the world wide web. This is where I think most people are making a mistake. This is all "browser based" and that does not mean that it needs to be used on the web.
    .....

    So hopefully everyone can stop thinking of WAS programming as just something for the internet and start thinking of it as just a different way to get the job done. One that is much more flexible than the tools we have been using to date.
    I agree. I meant browser based.

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  • Doug Page
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    Originally posted by glenschild View Post
    The following article has appeared on the BBC web site today. The very last sentence of the article sums up why I take data protection VERY seriously. I guess this serves notice to all that develop applications on the web. I know the UK Data Protection laws are very stringent but I am sure they are equally tough in other locations!

    news article
    I can understand your point completely as it pertains to the internet. However, in reading the question posed at the beginning of this poll, I interpret it as which is more important for development purposes - the desktop tools or the browser based tools. As I mentioned in my previous post, too many people assume that browser based development tools are only for the INTERNET. That's absolutely incorrect! I read from your comments that this appears to be how you view these tools as well. But try thinking about what benefits/disadvantages are there if you use these tools for internal apps. What are your thoughts about this scenario?

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  • Editor
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    Another 2 cents -

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  • glenschild
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    Re: Is there a future for desktop applications.

    The following article has appeared on the BBC web site today. The very last sentence of the article sums up why I take data protection VERY seriously. I guess this serves notice to all that develop applications on the web. I know the UK Data Protection laws are very stringent but I am sure they are equally tough in other locations!

    news article

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