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    #16
    Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

    We can only test on 32 bit Vista and Windows 7 machines and the PDFs do not work on either of these. We've not been able to test this on a 'clean' XP or 64bit machine.

    To test it yourself...

    Open up full version of V10 (on a PC with the Runtime installed)
    Open Alpha Sports
    Go to Tools > Utilities > Create Install Package - choose 'Application Files and Runtime'
    Create Install
    This creates a setup.exe
    Load this setup.exe onto a 'clean' Vista machine with no Alpha products installed (we don't know about XP)
    Open alpha5.exe from within the folder
    Open AlphaSports
    Right click on any report from the Control Panel
    Save As a PDF

    Cheers,

    Michael

    The reason we say 'Clean' PC is because there is no problem on our development PCs with the full V10 and Adobe installed. So would be interested if anyone can establish if the error occurs on a clean PC with the full Adobe running and no Alph stuff.
    Last edited by Michael Humby; 11-06-2009, 10:13 AM. Reason: addition

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      #17
      Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

      Tom please see my other post about my hair loss.

      Essentially the PDF driver will not install from the runtime in XP, Vista or Windows 7.

      This is quite a show stopper

      Incidentally and perhaps understandbly works fine when trialling runtime on your development machine where the full version of V10 has been installed - only is a problem on a "clean" machine.

      Bob
      Bob Whitaker

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        #18
        Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

        Interesting - Steve never uses the Desktop and I never use the Server versions.

        For the time being then I think I will pass on V10. I have too many clients to support. And unfortunately I have gotten used to using the pdfs. PDF's are quite handy for appending reports together, and for emailing. If installing V10 on my XP machine will possibly cause problems with my other apps in earlier versions, I can't take the chance.

        On the plus side, if we (the Alpha community) are having issues with the new Ami driver, then there may be a LOT of other users (other communities) out there that are also having issues with it.

        Man oh man - since this is a new app for a new client, I really hate to install it with V9 since I know he will have to buy new workstations in the future. Really not sure what to do with this.
        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
        972 524 8714
        [email protected]

        ____________________
        "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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          #19
          Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

          Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
          Interesting - Steve never uses the Desktop and I never use the Server versions....
          Ha, but to be expected if you buy the idea that almost all V10 development and testing was WAS centric.

          Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
          ...Man oh man - since this is a new app for a new client, I really hate to install it with V9 since I know he will have to buy new workstations in the future. Really not sure what to do with this.
          Martin, it could bite you sooner than you might expect. My client has a bunch of new XP machines but he has free Win7 upgrades he wants to install right away! So much for me not having to deal this issue for a while.

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            #20
            Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

            Yeah - I'm feeling kinda gloom-and-doom right now.

            This will have a major impact for many of my clients, where I use PDF's, as for emailing, appending and such. It would require rewrites for many apps, most of which are in V8. I could lose several clients.

            I guess everyone but me has seen for quite some time that the desktop is a dying horse. And Microsoft is apparently doing eveything it can to further expidite the death. And from the issues desktop users are having with V10, I suspect V10 may not be a good app for desktop development, at all. But with W7, we may not have a choice.

            And I understand it. Alpha is interested in the WAS. And apparently most everyone else is too, except me. And I suspect there aren't enough resources to do a really good job of bringing V10 along on the desktop side.
            Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
            972 524 8714
            [email protected]

            ____________________
            "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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              #21
              Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

              I don't know about the watermark issue but the V10 runtime PDF non-install has been recognized as a bug and is in the process of being fixed.
              Finian

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                #22
                Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                Martin,
                It is kind of interesting in that I just today asked for a v10 quote from Alpha as we are on the verge of deploying ver 9 after many years of running ver 5. We figured that we should just skip 9 and go right to 10 since all the hard work is done in going from 5 to 9. With over 200 desktop PC's connected, it is kind of disheartening to hear that 10 may not be what we want. My only consolation is that we haven't purchased anything yet.

                Tom

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                  #23
                  Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                  Hi Tom:

                  I'm still testing V10 but I'm preparing to move forward with our V5 to V10 upgrade.

                  At this stage, almost everything I've tested from our V5 app runs, as is, in V10. This was never the case with V9. What it means is that I can continue to fix/modify our V5 application and, when the time is right, make the move to V10 and have it be quick and painless.

                  In my testing, V10 seems faster than V9 and much faster than V8. True, it's not quite as fast as V5 but it feels more stable than V9. One caveat, all my testing so far has been on the local desktop. I'll be starting some server based testing in a week or two.

                  I expect that the PDF install/printing thing should be fixed quickly.
                  Finian

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                    #24
                    Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                    Thanks Finnian - that is very heartening. I have a small chain of hospitals running V5, and that means I could possibly bring them along to V10. They currently all have XP-Pro, but that will eventually change, I'm sure.

                    I think I will soon do a trial of V10, and see what happens. I can always uninstall it and reinstall the previous ami driver.

                    Tom, I think we should seriusly test V10 with our apps and see what happens.

                    Anyway, I am less gloom-and-doom than I was.
                    Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                    972 524 8714
                    [email protected]

                    ____________________
                    "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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                      #25
                      Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                      Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                      Started to order V10, and then thought - hmmmm - if I install V10, then if I understand correctly, none of the pdf reports will work with any prior versions, regardless of the OS I am using - is that correct?

                      if so, how will developers with many versions like me deal with it?

                      maybe I could create a shortcut to the printer driver installer in each of the versions from V5, forward, and click on the appropriate one for what I am developing in. Haven't tried it yet. But might work. My main machine is currently XP Pro. Worst case, I may have to buy an additional machine with Windows 7, for V10 apps.

                      I'm a week into a new app, developing in V9, but want to move it to V10.

                      Man, what a hassle!!!
                      Martin I am running V9 and V10 on a Win 7 64 bit system. PDF printing works to both Alpha Five printers. I have not tested the watermark on the PDF print, but other than that, all seems fine. Alpha has acknowledged, fixed and will release the RT V10 PDF install issue with the next patch. V10 has some pretty cool stuf (even on the desktop sode)
                      Bill Griffin
                      Parkell, Inc

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                        #26
                        Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                        Thanks Bill, am going to try the trial version, and test.
                        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                        972 524 8714
                        [email protected]

                        ____________________
                        "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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                          #27
                          Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                          I can safely agree with Finian except that I think V10 is also much faster than V5, I have been solely developing and distributing V10 desktop using Vista and XP, for about 5 weeks now with apps developed in previous versions.

                          As yet, not a single hang, unhandled error or 'ctrl_alt_del' to close Alpha5.exes that remained memory after closing.(Compared to frequent everyday occurencies in the very same applications when using V9)

                          My only problem and complaint is the PDFs and Reportmailer still not working in Runtime on our clients PCs it has taken all my time up during an exhaustive week to convince Alpha of this error. I have since learnt that this can be fixed by running the original Alpha V10Runtime.exe and then latest patch.exe on to our clients PCs (I wish the patch files were the complete range to overwrite in a single operation)-obviously this is not a practical solution and does not work for distribution installs.

                          Selwyn has indicated a fix to make the Runtime installs overcome this issue but as of this moment this cannot be done.

                          Hope these personal observations will help others with their decisions on V10

                          Michael
                          Last edited by Michael Humby; 11-06-2009, 04:40 PM.

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                            #28
                            Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                            Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                            Thanks Bill, am going to try the trial version, and test.
                            Enjoy. I never really looked at the web side of alpha, but this really opens up a whole new way of looking at things. I suggest you take a look at the web videos as well as all the desktop stuff.
                            Bill Griffin
                            Parkell, Inc

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                              #29
                              Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                              2 hours ago, I was VERY concerned. Now, it seems that v10 looks OK. Thanks, everyone! Now all I need to do is to convince my fiscal officer that the money he spent on ver9 wasn't in vain, even though the product is just going into the drawer with all the other releases we never rolled out.


                              Tom

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                                #30
                                Re: Developers and V10 PDF Issue

                                Question for Bill Griffin:
                                Bill you wrote running V9 and V10 on a Win 7 64 bit system. PDF printing works to both Alpha Five printers.

                                I am running V9 Full Version on Windows 7 and PDF does NOT work.

                                Am I doing something wrong. What patch are you running for V9.
                                If you can print V9 pdf, Word, Excel....

                                Can you send me a link for that patch download.

                                Thanks Charlie Crimmel

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