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  • #16
    Re: Global Warming?

    However, we did have a nice little earthquake just now (4.2). Being so unpredictable, they trump any discomfort from nasty cold weather.
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    • #17
      Re: Global Warming?

      :D
      However, we did have a nice little earthquake just now (4.2). Being so unpredictable, they trump any discomfort from nasty cold weather.
      All relative really--having grown up with earthquakes being commonplace in a place that could get decidedly cold (Alaska), I would much rather endure the quakes than the cold!! Quakes never lasted as long! (well, except for the '64 earthquake!). But if not used to them, I can for sure see your point! :)
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      • #18
        Re: Global Warming?

        Last Alaska earthquake I remember I was a Geology student at Humboldt State. A bunch of us jumped in a van and drove to Crescent City to see if it would be destroyed again by tsunami.
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        • #19
          Re: Global Warming?

          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
          Last Alaska earthquake I remember I was a Geology student at Humboldt State. A bunch of us jumped in a van and drove to Crescent City to see if it would be destroyed again by tsunami.
          And was it?
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          • #20
            Re: Global Warming?

            Don't ya just love the "similar Threads" section??
            Christmas in Dallas..1st time in 83 yrs.

            Then there is Houston on the Gulf Coast...Palm trees n all.
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            • #21
              Re: Global Warming?

              Sorry guys, but off to the Barrier Reef for a bit snorkling and lieusure time. No need to brag that we can do this 12 months of a year

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              • #22
                Re: Global Warming?

                Originally posted by Steve Andrews View Post
                Keith,

                I've heard a theory that further melting of arctic ices can slow down an Atlantic tropical current which in turn can create an ice age - making the temperatures in the UK plummet by 40 degrees!

                http://www.nerc.ac.uk/research/issue...ange/rapid.asp

                So let's hope that you are not indeed seeing the first of the supposed ice age triggered by global warming.

                Steve
                Scientists aren't good at marketing and apparently weren't smart enough to hire a marketing group to help them. They started out calling it "Global Warming" and that caught phrase on. However, nobody listened to the rest of the story when, since the very beginning, they tried to say that some places could actually get colder (wetter, drier, stormier, etc.) while the average world temp got higher. Note that the linked site doesn't call it Global Warming - it's now "Climate Change".

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                • #23
                  Re: Global Warming?

                  I was just wondering...when, exactly, is the climate not changing?

                  What are we try to do...make the climate go to steady-state in a near infinite complex of variables, many with power beyond our ability to measure or predict?
                  The last real global warming era produced a great deal of benefits for mankind and other species as well.
                  Insisting that the climate can be predicted 10-20-60+ years out is beyond preposterous, or the pinnacle of inflated arrogance.
                  The midwest "dust-bowl" drought of the 1930's has yet to recur and destroyed millions of acres of crop land for years after.

                  In summer '80 we had 13 consecutive days above 110f. No such thing has happened since.

                  This winter will maybe beat the long deep freeze of 1982-3 where thousands of water pipes blew out inside exterior walls of new & old homes alike. The temp stayed below 20f for 8 days with lows near 8f
                  80 broke all records for heat/drought here.
                  82-83 broke all records for cold here.
                  Those records still stand.

                  We have great minds which however can be drawfed by egos and insatiable desire for power over others since "we know best" what is good for others.
                  "Crisis" used to mean what the dictionary says. But, now means "don't dare scrutinize", "we must give up libery" and "raise taxation levels".
                  Scientists have become hucksters for politicions for securing grant money.
                  Last edited by SMARTII; 01-08-2010, 03:03 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Re: Global Warming?

                    After I posted that I realized it was a mistake. I was simply stating a fact about the marketing of "Global Warming". I haven't been convinced one way or the other about how big of an issue it will be or how much has been caused by man. I believe man has had an affect but I don't know how much. I try to remain open minded. (I also watch both Fox and MSNBC - I wonder how many others can say that.)

                    Enough politics - this isn't the place and I shouldn't have let myself get sucked into it.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Global Warming?

                      Originally posted by SMARTII View Post
                      I was just wondering...when, exactly, is the climate not changing?

                      What are we try to do...make the climate go to steady-state in a near infinite complex of variables, many with power beyond our ability to measure or predict?
                      The last real global warming era produced a great deal of benefits for mankind and other species as well.
                      Insisting that the climate can be predicted 10-20-60+ years out is beyond preposterous, or the pinnacle of inflated arrogance.
                      Climate did not change much if any from 1700 to 1900 when you look at the history as recorded by tree rings and layers of ice. You are confusing climate with weather. Per the Wikipedia: "Climate encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and numerous other meteorological elements in a given region over long periods of time. Climate can be contrasted to weather, which is the present condition of these same elements over periods up to two weeks."

                      While it may be absurd to predict weather 20 or 60 years from now, it is fully reasonably to predict average climates based on 50-year trends of data. Surely, specific peaks and valleys cannot be predicted. But long-term averages can be.

                      As Cal pointed out, maybe the scientists are not the best when it comes to marketing and politics. But that's not their goal and I don't think it should be.

                      Steve

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                      • #26
                        Re: Global Warming?

                        RE:Steve Andrews;521490 Climate did not change much if any from 1700 to 1900 when you look at the history as recorded by tree rings and layers of ice.
                        True, I was referring to the Middle Ages. b4 1700 as the warming period. Just b4 computers were invented.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Global Warming?

                          Al Gore invented the sun and now we have Global Warming with a Global Warning. <my 2 cents or sense>

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