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  • #91
    Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

    Just as point of reference.....I was on record as saying I was not having problems with 3523 and above in this thread.....further testing proved that to be a FALSE statement. 3539 was causing me issues as well. I reverted to 3520 and my issues went away.

    The issues I was having were related to data not being saved properly in embedded browses.

    Hopefully, Alpha will get some of this resolved soon....I have seen mention that one user got a special patch(after 3539) after submitting a bug report - which Selwyn is great at providing - that has solved his issues. So, maybe there is hope.

    The issue I am having is that my current app is a hybrid and I have to constantly switch between 3539 to make the web side work and then rollback to 3520 to work on the desktop side....


    Regards,

    Jeff

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    • #92
      Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

      Jeff,

      Thanks for the info. We're about to test the patch just prior to 2725_3520, which is 2659_3515. If that doesn't work well, I'll just try your suggestion next.

      Jeff

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      • #93
        Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

        Using the 3539, so far I have come accross 2 issues I have successfullu coded around

        1. Events, like cansaverecord event in field rules, firing multiple times: fix, using the global logical busy
        Code:
        if busy
             end
        end if 
        busy=.t.
        'put cansaverecord code here
        busy=.f. 'reset it
        2. In the cansaverecord event in field rules, for many years I have used code like this to silently prevent blank records in embedded browses (that is not currently working correctly):
        Code:
        t=table.current() ' or t=table.get("dailyentries")
        if t.fieldone="" .and. t.fieldtwo="" '(two fields are blank)
             cancel()
             end
        end if
        here is the current work-a-round that is working:
        Code:
        t=table.current() ' or t=table.get("dailyentries")
        if t.fieldone="" .and. t.fieldtwo="" '(two fields are blank)
             if is_object("dailyentries")
                  :dailyentries:browse1.cancel()
             end if 
             end
        end if
        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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        • #94
          Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

          This is a known issue:

          Running some 32 bit applications on a 64 bit OS could actually be slower. The additional overheads in running 32 bit software in 64 bit mode could cause a slight degradation in performance.

          Maybe Alpha is in this category.

          This is not a new opinion from me:

          We need 64 bit version from Alpha.
          We certainly need 64 bit version from WAS

          32 bit will soon be outdated system in every aspect. Next Alpha must be 64 bit. I don't get it why we are here still waiting? Where is Alphas Roadmap for 64 bit systems?

          Question: Why to even drive 32 bit software in 64 bit system.
          Answer: Because 64 bit version is not available.

          Question: Do you buy a 32 bit program to a 64 bit system
          Answer: Certainly not if I have a 64 bit choice.


          Ken

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          • #95
            Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

            Wow! This can be a significant reason for the issues we are encountering. All the machines are 64 bit, and slowness, and even freezing, is the main issue. I wonder if there is a downgrade to 32-bit Windows 7.

            Jeff

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            • #96
              Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

              Originally posted by Jeff Fried View Post
              Wow! This can be a significant reason for the issues we are encountering. All the machines are 64 bit, and slowness, and even freezing, is the main issue. I wonder if there is a downgrade to 32-bit Windows 7.

              Jeff
              Jeff

              I'm running a5v10 on a win 7 64 bit machine 64 OS (i5? processor..) without issues.... and hammering it pretty hard... not saying there aren't problems some where..
              Al Buchholz
              Bookwood Systems, LTD
              Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

              Occam's Razor - KISS
              Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
              Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
              When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
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              • #97
                Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                Originally posted by kkfin View Post
                This is a known issue:

                Running some 32 bit applications on a 64 bit OS could actually be slower. The additional overheads in running 32 bit software in 64 bit mode could cause a slight degradation in performance.

                Maybe Alpha is in this category.

                This is not a new opinion from me:

                We need 64 bit version from Alpha.
                We certainly need 64 bit version from WAS

                32 bit will soon be outdated system in every aspect. Next Alpha must be 64 bit. I don't get it why we are here still waiting? Where is Alphas Roadmap for 64 bit systems?

                Question: Why to even drive 32 bit software in 64 bit system.
                Answer: Because 64 bit version is not available.

                Question: Do you buy a 32 bit program to a 64 bit system
                Answer: Certainly not if I have a 64 bit choice.


                Ken
                A couple of thoughts/questions: if Alpha comes out with a 64 bit apps, Since most clients have 32 bit machines:

                1. Should we should use both 32 and 64 bit machines in order to
                deliver a 32 bit or a 64 bit app?
                2. Should it require licenses for both 32 bit and 64 bit?

                kenn
                TYVM :) kenn

                Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                • #98
                  Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                  Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
                  Jeff

                  I'm running a5v10 on a win 7 64 bit machine 64 OS (i5? processor..) without issues.... and hammering it pretty hard... not saying there aren't problems some where..
                  And what if you had 64 bit choice would you still use 32 bit?
                  I think you are forced to use 32 bit now.


                  Ken

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                  • #99
                    Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                    Originally posted by kkfin View Post
                    And what if you had 64 bit choice would you still use 32 bit?
                    I think you are forced to use 32 bit now.


                    Ken
                    32 bit mode is the only option now...

                    But the 32 bit mode runs well for me on a 64 bit machine.

                    I'm not in a hurry to get Alpha 64 bit mode today - maybe tomorrow..
                    Al Buchholz
                    Bookwood Systems, LTD
                    Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                    Occam's Razor - KISS
                    Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                    Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                    When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
                    "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                    Albert Einstein

                    http://www.iadn.com/images/media/iadn_member.png

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                    • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                      Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
                      32 bit mode is the only option now...

                      But the 32 bit mode runs well for me on a 64 bit machine.

                      I'm not in a hurry to get Alpha 64 bit mode today - maybe tomorrow..
                      Hi Al,

                      Yes, I know. I was just musing a couple of food for thought questions.

                      kenn
                      TYVM :) kenn

                      Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                      • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                        Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
                        Jeff

                        I'm running a5v10 on a win 7 64 bit machine 64 OS (i5? processor..) without issues.... and hammering it pretty hard... not saying there aren't problems some where..
                        Al,

                        You may be running your Win 7 64 bit machine as the only one processing, though you're doing a lot with it. My situation relates to more than one computer working in an order entry environment with plenty of choices on pop-up lists, field rules active for fields, etc. When only one of these computers is being used, no problem (though it could be faster). When two computers are actively trying to add orders, total stall. I am thinking 64 bit is the issue but need to figure out a way to prove it. Problem is, they only have 64-bit Windows 7 on the new computers.

                        Can you verify that you are talking about only one 64-bit computer doing processing and not a shared environment? Thanks.

                        Jeff

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                        • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                          Originally posted by Jeff Fried View Post

                          Can you verify that you are talking about only one 64-bit computer doing processing and not a shared environment? Thanks.

                          Jeff
                          yes my machine for now... but some clients have the 64 bit machines worked into their networks...

                          When the stall happens what does task manager show?
                          Al Buchholz
                          Bookwood Systems, LTD
                          Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                          Occam's Razor - KISS
                          Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                          Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                          When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
                          "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                          Albert Einstein

                          http://www.iadn.com/images/media/iadn_member.png

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                          • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                            Originally posted by Al Buchholz View Post
                            yes my machine for now... but some clients have the 64 bit machines worked into their networks...

                            When the stall happens what does task manager show?
                            I don't know the answer to that. I have no way to test it myself so would need to have two people at that end pounding the keys. I assume you're saying to do a ctrl-alt-delete while the stalled computer is waiting. It may show "not responding" temporarily, but I don't know for sure. The computer eventually comes back, but it slowed down tremendously and certainly would not be viable for going live.

                            I'm going to call Microsoft to see what they have to say about licensing back from 64 to 32 bit. I wonder if they're simply going to say to go out and buy new Windows 7 32-bit licenses.

                            Jeff

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                            • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                              since we are looking at getting a new server, 2008 64 Bit, this is an issue I am interested in. But in my scenario, there are no workstations - we only use T/S. So hope it is not an issue for us.
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                              972 524 8714
                              [email protected]

                              ____________________
                              "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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                              • Re: 3523 .... lots of issues

                                Jeff

                                You can start task manager prior to the stall and watch what is going on...

                                Guessing at a cause and effect usually leads to more problems than it solves..
                                Al Buchholz
                                Bookwood Systems, LTD
                                Weekly QReportBuilder Webinars Thursday 1 pm CST

                                Occam's Razor - KISS
                                Normalize till it hurts - De-normalize till it works.
                                Advice offered and questions asked in the spirit of learning how to fish is better than someone giving you a fish.
                                When we triage a problem it is much easier to read sample systems than to read a mind.
                                "Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                                Albert Einstein

                                http://www.iadn.com/images/media/iadn_member.png

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