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    #31
    Re: Sub-Report

    We obviously are not on the same wave length. I understand what you are saying in your example. That is not the points I am trying to make:

    1.The way Alpha has worded what little help there is, does not explain the meaning of Include from parent. To someone who is very well versed in the design structure of A5 itself, it gets the job done. However, most A5 users are not in that category and it should be explained on their level. Add to those, someone like me who reads it for what it says which in this case, the same definition is used for all three and the definition states: Include records from parent when child exists or when no child is found. It simply states to always include all parents, whether a child is found or not.

    2. My other point is this. Each sub-report has its own properties. However, when one sub-report is set to "MATCH", it affects all remaining sub reports and there is nothing to tell the user what will happen or why. It just does it and we are left with many, many hours of trying to figure out what is happening.

    I disagree with the manner in which this works but then maybe the talented folks at alpha have a very good reason and then again, maybe it's just happenstance. In any event, there should either be an explanation or it should be corrected.

    This is like may other property settings which have no value, i.e. the fields used in a report have a tab order property. Why? A user assumes that if there is an active property setting for any object, that property is valid for that particular object.

    Granted, it takes time to clean up the "minor" issues but none the less, they must be cleaned up. Sooner or later, the minor issues become a big issue. In my occupation, a minor issue left unchecked can and does become a BIG issue and the case is lost. That's my mind set, that's how I look at things. It's the details which make it or break it.

    As to the interpretation of those choices, it's pretty much what I describes:
    None means, do not limit the parents table to either condition, i.e. all parent records are game.
    match means if the child table has records to match the parent
    does not match means the opposite of the above.
    "does not match means the opposite of the above"

    Which one, None, Match or both?

    Earlier, I called this a bug which to me, it is, simply because at the very least, if this is the way Alpha intends this to be, then, not only should there be an explanation in the Alpha Help, but certain properties in the remaining sub-reports should be disabled. On the other hand, if this is not the manner in which Alpha intends a sub-report to affect other sub-reports, then.....

    I hope we are closer to the same wave length.
    kenn
    TYVM :) kenn

    Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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      #32
      Re: Sub-Report

      Ken:
      The options seem straight forward to me. Include records from the parent table:
      1-Always-even if no matching child records exits
      2-Only if matching child record DOES exist
      3-Only if matching child records DOES NOT exist

      As I said in the example, there might be circumstances where you don't want to see all the parents records.

      Yes, alpha might not have explained that by setting the link to option 2 or 3 in a higher hierarchy in the set that it will affect the lower tables in the set, but there are many many things that are left to your understanding of how things work. I don't think alpha could account for every eventuality, hence I don't see this as a bug. As to the other issues, I haven't even looked at them.

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        #33
        Re: Sub-Report

        Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
        Ken:
        The options seem straight forward to me. Include records from the parent table:
        1-Always-even if no matching child records exits
        2-Only if matching child record DOES exist
        3-Only if matching child records DOES NOT exist

        As I said in the example, there might be circumstances where you don't want to see all the parents records.
        In my case, I only want to see one parent record in most of my reports and that is established right from the git go before the report is run. So, leaving it set to NONE is mandatory since it is the ONLY way to view the sub-reports.

        Yes, alpha might not have explained that by setting the link to option 2 or 3 in a higher hierarchy in the set that it will affect the lower tables in the set, but there are many many things that are left to your understanding of how things work. I don't think alpha could account for every eventuality, hence I don't see this as a bug. As to the other issues, I haven't even looked at them.
        While it's impossible for Alpha to think of every situation, in this case the information supplied is incorrect. Incorrect information is a bug just as incorrect coding is a bug.

        I would like to know Alpha's thinking on this because I'm not convinced they intentioned for there to be a hierarchy in sub-reports. If I set one child table to 2-Only if matching child record DOES exist, rather than cause the rest to be blank, why not pass on the setting? The way it is now, if one child table is set to Match, the following child tables are useless in the report. One cannot have any more than one child table or sub-report in the report. (Changing the other child tables to 2-Only if matching child record DOES exist does not cause them to show records even though there are records which match the parent.)

        I'm not convinced this is the way it's supposed to be. There's just too many unanswered questions which, with all do respect, even you could not address. I do mot mean that negatively but see it as a positive.

        Gabe, I really do appreciate this dialog with you because it's been interesting and I've learned from it. My respect for you has increased and I consider you to be at the top of the list of the best. Your insights and suggestions are often times outside the box. That, I enjoy and appreciate.

        kenn
        TYVM :) kenn

        Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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          #34
          Re: Sub-Report

          Ken
          Thanks for the complements..
          For whatever reason I suppose I failed to explain the fact that when you run the report, there is only one parent and multiple children. If you instruct alpha to limit the records of the parent to those that match the child at that level then in a lower level expect alpha to show all parent's records, meaning if the lower child has a record but yet the higher child does not have a record to match that parent's record, to go ahead and show that parent's record. To me, this is a clear contradiction.. but I am not able to convey the message..so I'd say go ahead and submit a bug report and maybe I am wrong in my understanding.

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            #35
            Re: Sub-Report

            Originally posted by forskare View Post
            The way it is now, if one child table is set to Match, the following child tables are useless in the report. One cannot have any more than one child table or sub-report in the report.
            Not at all.
            Leave the parent unrestricted.

            This is more like a series of constricting circles.
            If you do not limit the parent to only those records that match the top child, the lower child will have access to ALL the parent's record.

            When you limit the parent, the lower child has only a smaller pool of records to choose from.

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              #36
              Re: Sub-Report

              Originally posted by G Gabriel View Post
              Not at all.
              Leave the parent unrestricted.

              This is more like a series of constricting circles.
              If you do not limit the parent to only those records that match the top child, the lower child will have access to ALL the parent's record.

              When you limit the parent, the lower child has only a smaller pool of records to choose from.
              Once you set one child table to "MATCH", no matter the setting in the remaining child tables, those SRs will be empty. The space on the report is blank which indicates the SR is there, it just does not show/print the data.

              The way I'm setting up the from and report, if one child will not have any records which match the parent, the SR will not print and the remaining SRs will move up a notch.

              Thus, it's important that all SRs with matching records show/print. And, the only way that will happen is to leave the setting at NONE. All child tables matching records at print time, must be able to show/print.

              kenn
              TYVM :) kenn

              Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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