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    Download latest runtime

    When distributing a runtime application I find it a pain to make my client first install the original a5 runtime I purchased when v11 was introduced then make the client install the latest patch.

    Is there any way to download the combined original and latest patch runtimes to make life easier for the developer and the client?

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    Re: Download latest runtime

    Hi Mike,

    The only time you would need to do that was, if you had added in a new feature to the client's app, that was not built in to the full developer version.

    The latest patch of the runtime is a full runtime version only updated.
    Regards
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    London.
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert


    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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      #3
      Re: Download latest runtime

      Hi Keith

      I used the latest v11 developer patch, so the client needs the lastest runtime one. I'm sure others will be in the same position.

      Are you saying that the latest runtime is all that the client needs? I may be wrong but I think he/she needs to install the originally purchased runtime and then the latest patch prior to installing my app. That's why I asked my question.

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        #4
        Re: Download latest runtime

        Hi Mike,

        All I'm saying is that you dont need to update the client runtime, if you have not made any changes to the applcation with features that were only available in the latest developer update.

        eg Your client is working with V8 runtime, they want a new feature that is only available in V11, then you would need to update their runtime to V11.
        Regards
        Keith Hubert
        Alpha Guild Member
        London.
        KHDB Management Systems
        Skype = keith.hubert


        For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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          #5
          Re: Download latest runtime

          You may be missing the point Keith. I'm not talking about updating from one version e.g. v8 of the runtime to another e.g. v11. My point is about provind the client with the latest version of the v11 runtime as well as the originally purchased v11 runtime - the client may never have a runtime at all. He/she has to install both the originally purchased v11 runtime and the latest v11 runtime which corresponds with the latest v11 developer version I used for my application programming.

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            #6
            Re: Download latest runtime

            Yes I understand Mike.
            Not installing a new A5 VERSION but using a later patch.

            When doing an install for a NEW client, you cant just install the latest patch that you are up to. Its an update not an install.
            You have to install the original INSTALL version, and then install the latest patch.

            UNLESS maybe one could download the latest full runtime version, that is already patched, and install that - could be possible? You already have the licence key. Then its ONE install at the client.
            Personally I carry the install and my latest patch on a flash and just run both. But if there are several terminals to install then its a repeat performance.

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              #7
              Re: Download latest runtime

              Hi Mike,

              I don't think I'm missing the point. You have both the developer and runtime on your machine. You develop an application and create an Install package. You now do the install on your clients machine. As far as I'm concerned, there is no need install a patch of the runtime on the clients machine unless you have made a change to the applicaion on you machine and made use of an update that was not available in the last build you developed with.

              The only reason I was trying to use V8 to make the point, was to demeonstrate that once you had installed an applicaion on a clients machine and it runs as specified, you would not go and install V11 Runtime just because it is now available.

              Basically, if nothing has changed to the application or the operating system then I see no good reason to install a runtime patch.
              Regards
              Keith Hubert
              Alpha Guild Member
              London.
              KHDB Management Systems
              Skype = keith.hubert


              For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                #8
                Re: Download latest runtime

                Mike, one simple way would be to create a dummy application with one table and one field in it.
                Using the latest versions of the RT patch which matches the dev version you are using, create an install. This will capture all the latest patch info.
                When this is loaded onto the client PC, the R/t will need to overwrite the original instance. It will do nothing in fact apart from enabling you to get the latest RT on the PC. Now, the user can launch this app and select a different database to open.
                However.
                Any existing apps MAY need to be rebuilt using the Dev version. Having said that, if an old version is running OK, best left alone.

                In a situation where the client has started to add data, and you have an upgrade, there are a number of ways to do it, but the quickest without defining lots of code, would be to reinstall the new/upgradred app completely into a new Folder and Append the data from the original installation.

                To be honest, it's a pain trying to keep up with multiple Alpha releases so I'd vote for using the last stable and closed off version in a client situation.
                See our Hybrid Option here;
                https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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                  #9
                  Re: Download latest runtime

                  Thanks Ray. You have summarised my query very well. Like you, I use a flash if I'm installing on the client's site but most of my installs are sent out on CDs and I was asking whether it's possible to - as you say 'UNLESS maybe one could download the latest full runtime version, that is already patched, and install that' - in order to save the clients hassle.

                  All I want to know is whether such a download is possible. Perhaps someone at Alpha could comment.

                  I do appreciate what you say Keith. Thanks for your valued input as ever.

                  Mike

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                    #10
                    Re: Download latest runtime

                    Just seen you post Ted. Very good points which I could fall back on. Thanks

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                      #11
                      Re: Download latest runtime

                      Patches need testing Mike.
                      There have been situations where a patch has needed to be removed by reapplying the previous one.
                      Leaving the installation of the latest build R/t to Alpha isn't a good idea, however I'd agree that a completely new Alpha Dev and R/T installation ought to contain the latest build.
                      See our Hybrid Option here;
                      https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                      Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                      You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                        #12
                        Re: Download latest runtime

                        Use a third party installer and set it up to install both the application and the runtime. That way your install routine will always match what is on your machine.

                        It just takes a little work to do the initial setup. Even .net version 4 can be installed if necessary. I've seen lots of discussion about this but it CAN be done with Astrum and probably a number of others.

                        (And I do not mean to install the runtime installer. I mean "install the runtime" as part of the application installation.)

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                          #13
                          Re: Download latest runtime

                          Good advice thanks Cal. I think that's the route I need to take in future. Mike

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