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    Controlpanel does not hide

    The controlpanel.hide() no longer works on a 'Start Up' forms onit event using V11 , could be a disaster with the runtime. Same applies to Alpha Sports start up form.
    Reported to Alpha but told to use the autoexec as 'this is their recommended method', I prefer the form's onit event so would welcome any other suggestions.


    The following is taken from Alpha Sports V11 Main Menu onit event
    'Date Created: 18-Jul-2002 09:47:32 PM
    'Last Updated: 18-Jul-2002 09:47:32 PM
    'Created By :
    'Updated By :
    controlpanel.hide()


    Michael
    Last edited by Michael Humby; 10-16-2012, 03:10 AM.

    #2
    Re: Controlpanel does not hide

    Hi Michael,

    As the Main Menu is set as the opening form in Workspace Properties, check the Hide Control Panel there.
    Regards
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    London.
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert


    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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      #3
      Re: Controlpanel does not hide

      Keith

      Thanks. I have now used that option but my previous method has worked for years now in fact the Alpha Sports program operates this function in the same way.

      Michael

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        #4
        Re: Controlpanel does not hide

        Michael,

        Which build of V11 does this fail on?
        Regards
        Keith Hubert
        Alpha Guild Member
        London.
        KHDB Management Systems
        Skype = keith.hubert


        For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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          #5
          Re: Controlpanel does not hide

          Keith,

          The latest build

          Michael

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            #6
            Re: Controlpanel does not hide

            Michael,

            When you say "the latest build", is that the official build or the latest release candidate, Build 2997- 4019 - Released - 15-Oct-2012 - 8:45AM ?
            Regards
            Keith Hubert
            Alpha Guild Member
            London.
            KHDB Management Systems
            Skype = keith.hubert


            For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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              #7
              Re: Controlpanel does not hide

              junk.png

              Keith

              As attached image, The Alpha updater states i have the latest build of V11.

              Michael

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                #8
                Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                I have that too and can confirm the controlpanel.hide() fails in the Alpha Sports, Main Menu OnInit event.

                Have you reported this?
                Regards
                Keith Hubert
                Alpha Guild Member
                London.
                KHDB Management Systems
                Skype = keith.hubert


                For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                  #9
                  Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                  Yes, ages ago but Selwyn did not consider it to be important enough to remedy.

                  Not really an issue provided we are aware of the change

                  Michael

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                    #10
                    Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                    Everything works through the Autoexec. Dont know why the :controlpanel.hide() won't fire from the OnInit event!!
                    Regards
                    Keith Hubert
                    Alpha Guild Member
                    London.
                    KHDB Management Systems
                    Skype = keith.hubert


                    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                      #11
                      Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                      November 22, 2012:

                      I'm using Alpha Five v. 11 Build 3044 with System Addins Build 4041, and I've also run into this glitch. I've tested it quite extensively (see below), and unlike Keith in post #10, above, the Autoexec script (using "Controlpanel.Hide()") does not work. The only way I could get the Main Menu to display was to go to File - Workspace Properties, and check the 'Hide the Control Panel' box. That worked. (My testing was only with the full developer edition, not the Runtime, and was done under Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, 32 bit version.)

                      I've been a long-time version 7 user, and have three applications that I tested. (I also tested the Alpha Sports application, both version 7 and version 11, and can confirm that while either version displays properly in A5V7, i.e., the main menu displays without the control panel behind it, in A5V11, both versions open to incorrectly display the main menu with the control panel open behind it. Neither version uses an Autoexec script.)

                      Two of the applications I tested are very simple flat-file databases, and the third one is a relational database, a bit more complex, e.g., more forms and reports, but still fairly straight forward (only two dbf files). All three opened correctly in A5V7, and all three opened (without modification) improperly in A5V11, that is, displaying the control panel behind the main menu. I can confirm post #8, above, that "...the controlpanel.hide() fails in the Alpha Sports, Main Menu OnInit event," as well as in my 3 applications, which use the same method to suppress the control panel display as does Alpha Sports. (I noted that the controlpanel.hide() in the Main Menu OnInit event was used in the Alpha Sports application distributed with A5V7 as well as in the version distributed with A5V11 [the two versions may well be identical, I do not know].)

                      I also noted another anomaly during testing: If I opened an application in A5V11, exited the Main Menu to the control panel, then double clicked on my Main Menu form, the main menu reopened, but hid the control panel, as I initially expected it to. Only when I closed the application completely by closing the control panel, and reopened it from the Recent Workplaces - Workspace & Tasks menu, did the Main Menu appear with the control panel open behind it. So, it appears that the OnInit event "fires" in one instance, but not in the other. This behavior convinces me that this is a definite bug in the start-up routines. (I intend to send a Bug Report shortly, when done with this post.) (I'm also convinced by the fact that before upgrading, I downloaded and tested an earlier version of A5V11, and the main menu in the application I tested displayed properly. I don't recall the build numbers as I uninstalled it prior to upgrading, but the install that I tested was a5v11_full_DL.exe, 107,372,256 bytes, with a Properties - Digital Signatures time stamp of Tuesday, March 27, 2012 5:16:28 AM.)

                      As stated above, I tested an Autoexec script containing the single command "Controlpanel.Hide()" in A5V11, but that made no difference; the application still started with the control panel displayed behind the main menu.

                      To get the Main Menus to display properly when starting, I modified my three applications as follows: I left ":Controlpanel.Hide()" in each Main Menu's OnInit event (probably unnecessary); I added "Controlpanel.Show()" to each Main Menu's OnExit event; and in the Database Properties ("Workspace Properties" in A5V11), I checked the box entitled "Hide the Control Panel". (I made the modifications in A5V7 to preserve compatibility with v. 11.) Testing in A5V7 as well as A5V11 confirmed that all Main Menus opened properly. However, in A5V11, I noted another anomaly: If I exited to the control panel by clicking the 'X' in the upper right corner (triggering the OnExit event to show the control panel), then double clicked the Main Menu form to reopen it, then clicked on the button to exit Alpha Five completely (executing the OnPush event ":A5.close()" ), the application did not exit completely to Windows, but instead, exited to the control panel! If I reopened the Main Menu by double clicking the form and again clicked on the same Exit button, the second time the application exited to Windows, as expected. So there are some additional things amiss, as the :A5.close() command is not being executed properly in this unusual circumstance.

                      Nov. 22, 2012
                      Last edited by aboutblank; 11-22-2012, 05:35 AM.

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                        #12
                        Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                        The controlpanel.hide() does not work on the Startup form's onit with V11, Alpha are aware of this but do not consider it important enough to be a bug since you can set to hide in the Workspace properties. (Alphasports has always used the hide() on the startup form, as i have done since early V4.5 days)


                        Michael

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                          #13
                          Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                          alas, drum roll, "The Desk Top is Dead", "Long Live the Desktop"
                          my fear/suspicion is that since V12 has been developed most likely without much consideration for the desktop, that apps will have to be extensively rewritten to work with V12!!!
                          Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                          972 524 8714
                          [email protected]

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                            #14
                            Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                            Hi Martin,

                            Did you see the video of what Alpha is working on?

                            From what I could see, the development side will be a progression of the web dialog, which seems a very natural way to go with what already works on current web pages.
                            Regards
                            Keith Hubert
                            Alpha Guild Member
                            London.
                            KHDB Management Systems
                            Skype = keith.hubert


                            For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                              #15
                              Re: Controlpanel does not hide

                              I stand by my fears - but am certainly open for everything working - I have zero minus one interest in anything related to the web - I have more work than I can get to with my desktop only clients, and am having to turn down work, as it is.
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
                              972 524 8714
                              [email protected]

                              ____________________
                              "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

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