RUNTIME installation files

[Steve Wood]

I am using a 3rd party installer (Actual Installer Pro) to install Runtime. Can someone give me the list of mandatory RUNTIME files and subfolders for a proper installation.

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

It is all very debatable, but selwyn or Richard gave a list of the necessary files that have to be installed which most do not follow anyways.

You can place the whole runtime in a folder of choice as many do or in program files as others do.

The application files would incude any files needed to run the app. Those should be in a single folder on c:\ or other drive.

If you are talking about what needs to be installed like c++ runtime, when you install the runtime, it automatically does that for you. There is the ability to set a path for the install of runtime by placing a path after then .exe and you can also specify /s so it does not show on screen(that way no one will change your path as needed by you).

More can be nswered?


edit
I place the runtime in a folder on c:\somefolder and the app under it like c\somefolder\my app. I do not do an install of runtime, but copy it to the folder I want. I then run microsoft's .net40 and the c++ runtime. Then run the appropriate batch file for registering the files needed.

You don't need all the stuff in folders underneath the runtime folder except what your app might use.

[Steve Wood]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

I am putting the whole A5 and application in the same installation routine, so I didn't expect to run Alpha's installation routine, only mine. So that's why I wanted a list of files, so I can trim down the volume (currently 130MB).

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

You may get it down to 122

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

I will contact you outside the forum tomorrow with much more information. Maybe a download you can study.

[Tom Cone Jr]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

Steve, I will be interested to know if this can be done. I have always thought that the runtime installer ran special routines setting up registry entries that wouldn't be done with a simple file copy.

[Steve Wood]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

well so far it works fine, just a really big installation file. This 3rd party installer, Actual Installer Pro is much better than Astrum.

The only registry entry I can find is the one that plugs in the license number. I included that as an automatic setting in the install so they are never prompted for the license.

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

how big is the app alone before being put into the installer?

Alpha includes the small version of the .net installer that has to have an internet connection for installation, but I send the big .net file that does not have to have inet connectivity.

Thought is that if it works fine, use it.

The current project right now is 123 megabytes. It is not a huge application. Just lots of code. I might strip out a little, but that is all. It is the runtime and a shadow copy on a known pathed system. The install for the server is about 1.5 megs. I prefer they be separate.

You can put 2 installs in one if needed.

Your installer may not be using a real tight compression??

There are more registry keys, but the ones where the numbers are is all you need.

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

I just looked at Actual Installer. Looks good! Will download later and poke around with it.

[Steve Wood]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

how big is the app alone before being put into the installer?

Corrected: app is 6MB. The Alpha Five Runtime is around 125MB alone.

[csda1]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

Hi Steve,

I really believe that you should have separate folders for runtime from the application. It minimizes one from the other from possible corruptions, as well as making update easier and clearer.

And it's important for each user to have exclusive temp folders that Alpha uses from other users, otherwise, there is a chance of 2 users stepping on each other's temp file.

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

My app is 8.63 meg without the auxilary files(backups and such)
My runtime is 234 megabytes with some some extra files I send that are necessary for some of my runtimes.
example:
The dotNetFx40_Full_x86_x64.exe is almost 50 megabytes
vcredist_x86.exe is about 5
startup exe's that are small

Yet, when placed in the install.exe that all becomes 120.5 megabytes for the runtime files, app files(Shadow) extra files ++. That is done with astrum installer.
The app files for server are about 9 with no data, but in the installer about 1.5 megs.

So you know, I ran a bunch of users with the app files and runtime to gether for years with no incidents, but for simplitity, they were seperated. I don't run them in the same folder now. There are no temp folders for users in my apps that I am aware of.

[Steve Wood]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

Also, for the couple people who have asked me if I am building Desktop applications again -- Yes, but this is a "WCD" application meaning it uses all Alpha web application components (grid, ux, tabbedui) but runs fully on the desktop using Alpha Five Runtime. Its very sweet since I have forgotten much about building real desktop apps using Forms, this leverages my more recent skill with web components.

[amorris]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

Good for you.

I have not touched those yet

[GGandhi]

Re: RUNTIME installation files

steve

are you using dbf or some sql as your backend for the wcd project?