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    #16
    Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

    There are articles that explain that IE11 behaves differently on Win7 vs. Win8.1. Also there are many programs that are broken on Win8.1/IE11 with regards to the same html editor we are talking about here. Selwyn himself has confirmed that A5V11 is broke on Win8.1 with IE11, and explained this is the reason they moved to Chrome (also, if I recall because it was frustrating that nearly every update to IE caused new problems.)
    Steve Wood
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      #17
      Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

      My understanding is, and this is from Alpha sources and also found here on the forum is that the problem is in running Developer and that the user will have no problem regardless of browser. So the advice is that you, only on your dev machine, if you want to work with v11, that you not run Win8.1. For your users, what you build runs on any IE and browser version.

      .
      Originally posted by Michael Humby View Post
      If this is correct then there is no way that we can dictate to our clients which version of IE they use so I guess that means I will have to abandon the HTML feature and go back to Plain Text memo.

      Michael

      Michael
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        #18
        Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

        So the advice is that you, only on your dev machine, if you want to work with v11, that you not run Win8.1. For your users, what you build runs on any IE and browser version
        .
        Nope. V11 and V10.5 on Win7 with IE11.
        Error appears, but it is possible to click through and enter data.
        Using RT for both, same error appears, so I am unsure what Steve actually means. Users will probably see the same as me - an error and you will need to explain the click through.

        Given that this is a problem, I really had hoped that Alpha would have come up with the Chrome solution earlier and deployed if to V11 users.
        Surely it is not a complicated matter - code wise that is - to redirect to Chrome instead of IE?
        Purchasing V12 is not really an option as this issue was known in V11 well before the final patch for it.
        If indeed V11 was fixed, it would make me think a bit harder about going to V12, but I don't want to be a hostage to someone else's fortune.
        See our Hybrid Option here;
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          #19
          Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

          I am able to test V11 on Win7/IE10 and Win8.1/IE11. I am not going to install IE11 on my Win7 machine to test. I can assure you using V11 on Win8.1/IE11 that you can click all day on the Yes or No button on the dhtml error dialog and it will NEVER go away as long as you continue to attempt to enter in an HTML Memo field. But I also have to change one of my previous statements, when it comes to an HTML Memo field on V11 using Win8.1/IE11 (the only one I am testing), both Developer AND USER are screwed, the dhtml error appears in both cases. Previously I said only Developer. I did not test RT.

          Although we are not talking about WCD, I do know that WCD (Web Components on Desktop) also fail with the same error using V11 and Win8.1/IE11. WCD runs on RT, but the offending object is the "working preview" which causes the dhtml error.

          Not sure about the timing on Alpha discovering the dhtml bug. I know V12 was out before IE11 hit the street. So I think they did not know about the problem until a bit after the final V11 was out, and when V12 was in full swing. For the record, I think it is a mistake not to go back and fix the issue in V11 (assuming it is relatively easy) because a lot of users will just drop out rather than move to V12, or will resign themselves to forever fall behind on IE versions. Personally I have to support V11 Web installations for the foreseeable future, and therefore have resigned myself to have a Win7/IE10 machine forever.
          Last edited by Steve Wood; 06-02-2014, 06:24 AM. Reason: then to than
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            #20
            Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

            Steve

            Thank you for all of your knowledge it makes the bug situation more understandable if not cured.

            Thanks everyone else for testing my bug app.

            Michael

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              #21
              Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

              Steve,
              Why does this work on my machines and not yours?

              I am here, win8.1, IE11, html memo, one other field, in a form, I can click the pencil all day long, edit and save. I have no issues and you do? New adb, old adb, I create, use Michaels test is all the same.

              I may have just figured it out. I have desktop only v11. I can't(by choice) make web apps or a wcd. May be not the reason, but.....
              Dave Mason
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                #22
                Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                I have desktop only v11.
                That will be it Dave.
                See our Hybrid Option here;
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                  #23
                  Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                  Is there a trial of Desktop Only, I would not mind trying the same experiment on my machines. I didn't know there was a Desktop Only.

                  Turns out I was able to test also Win7/IE11 and it had the same dhtml error dialog issue. IE11 was the common element between my Win8.1 and Win7 tests.
                  Steve Wood
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                    #24
                    Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                    It was a one off "special" Steve. I think Alpha were trying to boost sales of V11. There were some very good deals flying around.
                    See our Hybrid Option here;
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                      #25
                      Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                      If there is a dll in the Desktop Only version that fixes the dhtml error I wanted to try adding it to the full V11 and solve the error, achieve hero status.
                      Steve Wood
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                        #26
                        Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                        It might be the absence of a dll.
                        Peter
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                          #27
                          Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                          I don't think there is a difference in the dll's, just permissions in the app by registration number?
                          May be a dll that I can't use, but I cannot create a web app at all, nor can I do wcd.
                          Dave Mason
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                            #28
                            Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                            Steve
                            let me know if it will help you, I can arrange for my dll files to be downloaded for your inspection. There may be differences.
                            In fact I just zipped them all up. I would interested to know if one is missing or extra and if the sizes are the same.
                            download here
                            http://www.aldaweb.com/as/dll1.zip
                            http://www.aldaweb.com/as/dll2.zip

                            This is the runtime dlls, if needed, I can do this for the dev as well, but they are supposed to be the same.
                            Last edited by DaveM; 06-02-2014, 02:46 PM.
                            Dave Mason
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                              #29
                              Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                              If this works, you guys will get medals.

                              Have you tried running V11 under DEPENDENCY WALKER?
                              See our Hybrid Option here;
                              https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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                                #30
                                Re: HTML Memo Bug in V11

                                Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
                                If this works, you guys will get medals.

                                Have you tried running V11 under DEPENDENCY WALKER?
                                Did it work?
                                TYVM :) kenn

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