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  • New Run Engine Question

    I just read the information for the new Run Engine...am I interpreting the sales copy correctly in that I would have to by a license for EACH copy of the application I have created in A5 that I sell?

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    Re: New Run Engine Question

    I believe that is what they are saying. Makes my decision to stay at Verzion 8 easier.
    Jeffrey Wolfe

    Open Source Solutions
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    • #3
      Re: New Run Engine Question

      Please tell me this is not what they are saying! I agree...I simply would not be able to afford to upgrade.

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      • #4
        Re: New Run Engine Question

        That is what they are saying. One license per user.
        Last edited by Bill Griffin; 03-20-2008, 04:06 PM.
        Bill Griffin
        Parkell, Inc

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        • #5
          Re: New Run Engine Question

          Bummer... not AS bad though when you look at this part, as far as developers who sell on their software are concerned:

          Note: Commercial developers who would like to develop a product powered by Alpha Five V9 Platinum Edition should contact Alpha Software about an OEM Run Engine.

          I wonder how this works with things like Citrix and Terminal Services then?

          Also - Remember, you get to KEEP your existing V8 licenses, so you can continue to distribute software written in V8 and only buy runtimes for those apps/customers who actually require them... Plus if you have WAS V8 you could theoretically install V9 on a different server and run two web app servers too...
          Last edited by NoeticCC; 03-20-2008, 04:16 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: New Run Engine Question

            This makes me very sad! All of the excitement that has built in anticipation of moving to V9 is gone.

            The application that I built in version 8 only retails for 99 dollars. I will offer upgrade pricing but will not have an upgrade for 12+months. I just released the first edition of it a few weeks ago.

            Furthermore...How would you distribute fully functioning demo versions of your app if you have to license each one?

            If this is the case, this seems like a very significant and ongoing cost if you choose to use v9

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            • #7
              Re: New Run Engine Question

              Why is the price for the OEM Run Engine not listed. I hope it is not one of those "if you have to ask you cannot afford it" type situations:)

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              • #8
                Re: New Run Engine Question

                Originally posted by reynolditpi View Post
                Why is the price for the OEM Run Engine not listed. I hope it is not one of those "if you have to ask you cannot afford it" type situations:)
                I suspect it's because it depends hugely on the situation, the amount of copies you need and so on... either that or they haven't decided yet?!

                I can understand the reason for this licensing structure for a full SQL Database compatible version of A5 though - After all, with how easily you can export settings etc, between projects now, you could just create a few differently-named A5 databases (say, name it by department) and you'd be able to use a say 10 user runtime for as many departments and people as you want, because the active link tables can be created to a SQL Database from as many different A5 db/apps as you like...

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                • #9
                  Re: New Run Engine Question

                  Originally posted by reynolditpi View Post
                  Furthermore...How would you distribute fully functioning demo versions of your app if you have to license each one?
                  That is a good question... you'd require the potential customer to download a trial of A5V9 in order to run your app I guess... Perhaps Alpha have a "Trial Runtime" in the works? E.g. a runtime engine you can compile your app with that automatically expires after 30 days - that WOULD be very useful for commercial developers, after all!

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                  • #10
                    Re: New Run Engine Question

                    Hhhmmm...

                    I clicked on the "Run Engines Explained" and can't go there. Apparently I'm on some sort of black list?

                    See images...

                    Anyone else have this problem?
                    Peter
                    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                    • #11
                      Re: New Run Engine Question

                      Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                      Hhhmmm...

                      I clicked on the "Run Engines Explained" and can't go there. Apparently I'm on some sort of black list?

                      See images...

                      Anyone else have this problem?
                      I suspect... that these pages aren't meant to be fully live yet... I get the same too...

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                      • #12
                        Re: New Run Engine Question

                        That is a broken link, the correct URL is https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/a...un_engines.asp

                        Lenny Forziati
                        Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
                        Alpha Software Corporation

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                        • #13
                          Re: New Run Engine Question

                          I don't think it is for each application.

                          This is how I interpret it:

                          Currently I have a V8 10 user license. I can create as many applications as I want, distribute them with the runtime, and 1 to 10 users can use my application on the same network, with the same database. There is no built in way that I am aware of to limit the number of users to a number less than 10. So I could creatively code in a way to limit it to less than 10, but no built in feature.

                          In V9 instead of buying 1 10 user runtime or run engine, I could buy 10 I user licenses, and create as many applications as I want, distribute them with the runtime, and any combination of 1-10 users can use my application on the same network, with the same database.

                          It gives the developer a lot more flexibility and control over how they price their software.

                          That's, if I read that correctly.

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                          • #14
                            Re: New Run Engine Question

                            Alan

                            From the link above:-

                            "Run-Engines are licensed per installation, which means that each work station that the Run-Engine is installed on will require a license."

                            Which I take as every single PC that the runtime is installed on.
                            If It Works First Time, There's Something Wrong!!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: New Run Engine Question

                              Originally posted by ChrisHawkes View Post
                              Alan

                              From the link above:-

                              "Run-Engines are licensed per installation, which means that each work station that the Run-Engine is installed on will require a license."

                              Which I take as every single PC that the runtime is installed on.
                              Yes, but the license would be one of the ones that I as a developer bought.

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