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V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

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  • V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

    https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/a...un_engines.asp

    Full details including pricing are at http://www.imakenews.com/alphasoftwa...x000251621.cfm
    Richard Rabins
    Co Chairman
    Alpha Software

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    Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

    Richard:

    Great work - congratulations to you and the Alpha team.

    Tom Baker

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    • #3
      Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

      Thanks Tom:

      We have worked hard on this:)
      Richard Rabins
      Co Chairman
      Alpha Software

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        Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

        Originally posted by Richard Rabins View Post
        Thanks Tom:

        We have worked hard on this:)
        And on the documentation, well done!!!! Go grab those easter eggs and chocolates you lot must no doubt have missed by spending all of last weekend trying to sort out our varied "complaints" :)

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          Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

          Despite all the "kudus" (Wits grads notwithstanding, Richard) on the newly revised pricing for Runtimes, I remain confused.

          Here is my scenario:

          I wish to give my client a one off of the market research information I have provided for him so that he can manipulate it to his heart's content with all the reports, forms, and queries that I have developed. I assume this is a custom application. He does not need access to SQL tables (everything in dbf format).

          Based on this link http://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/alphafive/platinum/
          the one user runtime cost is $399, the same price as a FULL VERSION of a5v9 for a new user as shown here: https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/a...atinum/newuser

          Why in this instance would anyone buy the runtime when you can get the "full monty" for the same price?

          What am I missing?

          Thanks in advance for any clarification.

          Duncan

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            Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

            Richard, I'm a little confused regarding the "Packaged" application distribution. It is my understanding that a developer can create an unlimited number of "packaged" applications that can be distributed to as many company's/customers as they want, as long as the application is considered a "packaged" application. My question is two-fold.... When developing an application, is there something that has to be done within Alpha during the development phase, that determines that the application is "packaged" vs. "Custom"? And, what is the "user account unlock code"? Is this code given to all recipients of the packaged application, and if so, does everyone get the same code?

            I'm excited about the opportunity to purchase the new version, however my firm requires a little more info regarding the above issues. Thanks!

            EDIT: I've noticed several other posts since I started typing mine... and while I'm sure you all worked hard at clearing any ambiguity regarding this new pricing, some questions still linger/need to be resolved. Any chance of possibly editing the description to include more information? Thanks.

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            • #7
              Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

              Originally posted by smrogers View Post
              Richard, I'm a little confused regarding the "Packaged" application distribution. It is my understanding that a developer can create an unlimited number of "packaged" applications that can be distributed to as many company's/customers as they want, as long as the application is considered a "packaged" application.

              My question is two-fold.... When developing an application, is there something that has to be done within Alpha during the development phase, that determines that the application is "packaged" vs. "Custom"?

              no there is not

              And, what is the "user account unlock code"? Is this code given to all recipients of the packaged application, YES and if so, does everyone get the same code ? YES

              for further clarification the document explains

              When you purchase the Alpha Five Runtime, you are issued with a "user count unlock code." The sole purpose of this code is to "unlock" the user count on the Runtime to the concurrent number of users you licensed when you purchased your Runtime license. The "user count unlock code" provides you with new flexibility, because it gives you the ability to add runtimes together to increase your concurrent user count. The "user count unlock code" is in turn provided by you to all your customers. You have complete control over the appearance of the dialog that prompts the user for the "user count unlock code." This dialog box is only displayed once - the first time the user runs your application.


              I'm excited about the opportunity to purchase the new version, however my firm requires a little more info regarding the above issues. Thanks!

              hopefully this helps -- - if you have any other questions you can also email me at richard@alphasoftware.com or sales@alphasoftware.com

              EDIT: I've noticed several other posts since I started typing mine... and while I'm sure you all worked hard at clearing any ambiguity regarding this new pricing, some questions still linger/need to be resolved. Any chance of possibly editing the description to include more information? Thanks.
              Richard Rabins
              Co Chairman
              Alpha Software

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                Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                Originally posted by DSG View Post
                Despite all the "kudus" (Wits grads notwithstanding, Richard) on the newly revised pricing for Runtimes, I remain confused.

                Here is my scenario:

                I wish to give my client a one off of the market research information I have provided for him so that he can manipulate it to his heart's content with all the reports, forms, and queries that I have developed. I assume this is a custom application. He does not need access to SQL tables (everything in dbf format).

                Based on this link http://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/alphafive/platinum/
                the one user runtime cost is $399, the same price as a FULL VERSION of a5v9 for a new user as shown here: https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/a...atinum/newuser

                Why in this instance would anyone buy the runtime when you can get the "full monty" for the same price?

                What am I missing?

                Thanks in advance for any clarification.

                Duncan
                The RunTime allows for additinional distribution rights as explained in https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/a...un_engines.asp

                The basic idea here is that the 1 user runtime lets a person create single user "packaged" applications (with no active links) and distribute it/them freely to as many people as they like or could be used to create a 1 user demo of a multi-user "packaged" application for free broad distribution

                The "full monty" as you call it:) is a license for the full Alpha Five that is meant to license one user

                So they are actually different beasts
                Richard Rabins
                Co Chairman
                Alpha Software

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                  Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                  Richard;
                  It's not for nothing that my high school Physics teacher named me "Mini Brain" ...
                  but I think I understand the differences between the full version and what you can do with the runtime (I know they are different beasts, but you charge the same!). So with all due respect, I don't think you answered my question. In my example, according to the licence, for a one off copy my client (and probably only one person would ever use it!) would require a Runtime licence (@ $399). He can buy (or I can purchase for him) a full (not an upgrade, but priced as a New User!) version of A5v9 also for $399.

                  Again, what am I missing?

                  Thanks,
                  Duncan

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                  • #10
                    Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                    I am not going to jump on the bandwagon.

                    At this time I like the drill down reports and the fixed browse (which I feel the browse should have been fixed in V8, but have lived with it) Those are the only 2 features I feel I need at this time. For me to upgrade those 2 features with 1 full, plus 10 user runtime will cost me $1,098.00. I can not justify the upgrade cost so I will be staying with V8 at this time. I do not remember what I paid for V8 upgrade but I do not think it was anything close to that.

                    Oh, Oh
                    May have spoke too soon, I reading down further there are bundle packages that are way cheaper. Should have done more reading before posting.
                    Last edited by turbojack; 03-28-2008, 04:09 PM.

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                      Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                      Originally posted by DSG View Post
                      Richard;
                      It's not for nothing that my high school Physics teacher named me "Mini Brain" ...
                      but I think I understand the differences between the full version and what you can do with the runtime (I know they are different beasts, but you charge the same!). So with all due respect, I don't think you answered my question. In my example, according to the licence, for a one off copy my client (and probably only one person would ever use it!) would require a Runtime licence (@ $399). He can buy (or I can purchase for him) a full (not an upgrade, but priced as a New User!) version of A5v9 also for $399.

                      Again, what am I missing?

                      Thanks,
                      Duncan
                      Either will work - In your case - price is not the issue , but rather what capability you want your customer to have.

                      The full version is the full development version which of course can run (and modify your application).

                      The Runtime (and Run Engine) allows developers to protect their intellectual property by preventing users from seeing the source code to scripts and functions. Alpha Five also gives an extra level of protection by allowing developers to compile scripts and functions.
                      Richard Rabins
                      Co Chairman
                      Alpha Software

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                      • #12
                        Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                        Originally posted by DSG View Post
                        Richard;
                        It's not for nothing that my high school Physics teacher named me "Mini Brain" ...
                        but I think I understand the differences between the full version and what you can do with the runtime (I know they are different beasts, but you charge the same!). So with all due respect, I don't think you answered my question. In my example, according to the licence, for a one off copy my client (and probably only one person would ever use it!) would require a Runtime licence (@ $399). He can buy (or I can purchase for him) a full (not an upgrade, but priced as a New User!) version of A5v9 also for $399.
                        Or get the full version AND a 1 user "unlimited" RT for $399.... I know what I'd choose! ;)

                        I guess the whole point is that if you are a developer who wants to be able to create demo versions of your products, in order to allow that you just get the $399 bundle so you can get a copy of A5V9 and a 1 user RT included.

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                        • #13
                          Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                          I know Alpha says to call if you have more seats then users. Why the difference between the Seat (computer) & User. Why not just use users for both runtime and run engine?

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                          • #14
                            Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                            "In your case - price is not the issue , but rather what capability you want your customer to have."

                            Well, actually PRICE IS THE ISSUE. I don't need to hide source code etc. In this case the "custom application" is not the product the client is buying. The product is the data I have created for him. Electronic accessibility and manipulation is an added benefit. Today this is provided through MS Excel (which everyone has and knows how to use). Because I use Alpha to create, edit, and process the data (which includes myriad Alpha queries, operations, and reports) providing a "copy" to my client would be of some benefit. However, not $399 per "one off" of benefit. It remains much better "value" in Excel.

                            Too bad!

                            Duncan

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                            • #15
                              Re: V8 "style" RunTimes introduced for Alpha Five v9 PLATINUM

                              Richard,

                              Complements and a well done! You and your team really listen very well and you structured it nicely so evryone can figure out what they need and get only what they need at the most affordable price with the flexibilty to add later. My hat is off.

                              I will put my money where my mouth is and make a purchase within 72 hours for v9. Yes I needed it and wanted so much to bring my biggest app up to v9. I have been improving it since about '94.

                              I have never seen a compny of any kind listen so well and make the effort to understand their customers concerns. It is a pleasure to be a very small part of such a big and wonderful community as the alpha family of users.
                              Dave Mason
                              dave@aldadesktop.com
                              Skype is dave.mason46

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