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Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

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    Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

    I understand Alpha Five V9 does not offer drag and drop capabilities with its native controls.

    But has anyone else used third party ActiveX controls with drag and drop capabilities with Alpha Five? That is reordering the sequence of browse or tree by selecting a record and moving to where you want.

    Drag and drop capabilities have been available in MS Access at least since the 2000 version.

    Is there a technical reason why Alpha Five does not support drag and drop or they have simply not made it a priority.

    Wouldn't it be cool to see this offered in Version 10? Ok, just dreaming.

    Bob McGaffic

    Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

    Hi Robert,

    I'm not missing what I never had, I have to ask you though, whilst you think this is good feature, how important is it in the great scheme of things when using an application?

    What I would like to see with Drag and Drop, is a graphical way to link tables when building sets.

    Perhaps these should be in the Wish List?
    Keith Hubert
    Alpha Guild Member
    KHDB Management Systems
    Skype = keith.hubert

    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!


      Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?


      I, for one, do miss drag and drop. I used it over 8 years ago with a organizational chart built using Microsoft 97, showing who supervises who that was easily maintained simply by dragging a subordinate record and moving it up the tree to promote that person. Such flexibility in reorganizing organizational information or documents is critical in Customer Relationship Management applications in the following ways:

      1. Providing insight into key relationships in customer companies
      2. Organizing documents related to multiple proposals to those customers

      Here's the link to show you how easily this can be done:

      If you have any version of Access since then, I think you can easy this could be with the right control.

      I think the wish list for desired improvements for Alpha Five has got the point that they'll be very challenged making a dent in it. So I'm not really expecting them to make any changes to their tree control.

      I simply would like the functionality to reorganize hierarchical information on the fly, much like one can do with Windows Explorer.

      This is very, very old functionality for Microsoft Access, and my question was whether anyone technically understood whether such external to Alpha Five controls could achieve the same result. Or is there something in Alpha's design that precludes drag and drop.

      Bob McGaffic


        Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

        I expected to find drag and drop in A5 and was disappointed when I discovered it wasn't there... so used to it in Access. The image controls in A5 aren't very fast so I put in ImageXpress. It supports drag and drop so I was hoping to have a form where I could re-order images by dragging them around... found I couldn't do it.... too bad.


          Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

          Just so you don't think others don't share your points of view--I have the drag-drop feature in a 1995 Clarion based software I use and it really is a nice feature. Many will say that it is not necessary and seldom used....all depends upon the software I maintain and it just is an easier way many times to accomplish what has to be worked around using a platform that does not have this capability.

          Also, I believe there can be a way to incorporate an emulated version of drag-drop using API calls....If I remember right, I need 2 more to be translated to xbasic for such a thing to become a reality (mousedown/up and some other)---just no time and most likely would have to enlist the aid of Marcel Kollenaar to figure it out as well!!! :)
          It is only when we forget all our learning that we begin to know.
          It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
          Henry David Thoreau


            Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

            I think I am naive, but we are able to "drag'ndrop" in reports and in forms.
            So there is some sort of "drag'ndrop".
            I would like that feature with some graphics capabilities.


              Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?


              You are correct. Alpha Five allows you to use drag and drop to build your application.

              But Alpha Five does not currently offer native drag and dropping to users of your application.

              I'm OK with that provided, that drag and drop works with third party ActiveX controls that permit dragging and dropping. Thus far, I have not been able to get this to work, hence my posting.

              Bob McGaffic
              Pittsburgh, PA


                Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                I wonder about ver 10. what are the surprises in the new version.?
                When can we see a peek at it?


                  Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                  You can fake "drag and drop" w. xbasic on a form. It's not really drag and drop, of course, but a fake that may or may not work for you. I know that you are a purist, Bob, so you probably would not like it.
                  AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                    Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                    Keith, Peter
                    Drag and drop is an essential - its 2009 for goodness sake.
                    I am constantly asked by clients if they can drag & drop
                    and they are not impressed when I say it cant be done with Alpha.
                    I have lost several clients for this reason!


                      Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                      I'm probably making more work for myself here:

                      D&D can be done with A5. I have a working example. The "buts" are that it's javascript-based, so it gets done via the web apps. Now since you can put these on your desktop I'm not sure that's a drawback any more.

                      When I get time (ain't gonna be tomorrow) I'll try to put this into a usable, understandable form for ya'll. It's been on my list but other things keep taking priority.


                        Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                        Hi Steve

                        Thanks for the reply. I need this feature for desktop apps I have developed in A5v5 onwards. The companies I work for would balk if I suggested they need their apps need to be upgraded to a web based app costing a few thousand dollars just for drag and drop - wouldn't you!


                          Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                          I was hoping V10 would have that addition.
                          Why Alpha has never address this issue?
                          Steve, We know you must have a tough schedule, but would appreciate that sample whenever you can spare the time.
                          I am sure the entire board will benefit from it and Alpha may get a hint and be able to apply within the program.
                          Much thanks in advance.


                            Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                            Jeff - the "web app" stuff isn't the barrier you seem to think that it is. And the cost is zero. V10 has taken long steps towards being able to use html and javascript right on the desktop. This combines the best of both worlds. You can now, for instance, put a grid on your desktop that doesn't require an A5W server running someplace.

                            When you think about it, drag & drop is something that is going to take a bit of effort for any developer to implement; you need to define your starting list, your target list, etc. "Native", I guess, is in the eyes of the beholder, but right now I'd say that A5 has the "native" tools to do this.

                            I know that the guys at Alpha would like to make some more improvements to the desktop side (above what they've done already in V10). That will require replacing a lot of old code, and they'll be doing it with newer tools. This involves javascript, .net etc.

                            What I said: I'm afraid to post this because it's going to cause me extra work before I really have time.


                              Re: Drag and drop -- is it a dead issue?

                              Steve - We will all appreciate it as and when you find time.

                              Maybe this is something that Alpha themselves should provide as an example or possibly pay a skilled developer who knows how but is struggling to find/justify the time over paid jobs:D.

                              It sure would tick a box if Alpha could boast desktop drag & drop abilities.