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  • #31
    Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

    Jeff,

    Originally posted by jkletrovets View Post
    The problem is that the $79 is per seat it appears from the Amyuni site. So, the install I am getting ready to do would cost $1644 for a 20 seat license from Amyuni.
    Ouch. I didn't look far enough into it as I was just hoping for a different solution for you. That is a pretty steep hit for just a driver upgrade. Especially when Alpha is offering an upgrade to the developer edition/unlimited runtime for $399.

    ... and it will become an issue for anyone who has a legacy app written in V9. When my clients get a new machine a year from now....I don't think it is reasonable to say.....

    "ummmm...yeah...about that.....we need to redo your entire app in a new version even though the app has been working great for you....yeah it'll just cost you $1000 for the runtime and $5000 for me to convert the app and test it with the new version"......all because of the pdf driver
    Well since the upgrade for the v10 developer/unlimited runtime is $399 and these are the developers tools for one to work with, it would seem to me that this is the cost for the developer to advance his ability to work. As for any work that is done to make a program ready for a new OS, well that's been a cost for many of my current apps that I've bought and use and I would think that it is unreasonable for any business to think otherwise. Good time to let clients know that with a new OS now available that there will need to be upgrades to comply with the changes that it brings if THEY make the decision to upgrade. Perhaps even throw in a few small changes to their core system to make it look like something more than just an OS upgrade. Of course, the cost to do this would be built in.

    I can't really agree with you on this point. There are too many examples to list of companies that have upgraded (in a free patch) their software as the computing world changes. I don't think you can live in a vacuum if you are in business of making software such as Alpha.
    I guess if you think about it, we're the software developers for our clients. I guess your argument would mean that we should then provide all work related to an OS/dev tool upgrade for free! I wouldn't - nor would I expect Alpha.

    I do not have my hopes high at all....if Alpha's past behavior is any indication V9 will never see another patch. I hope I am wrong however. :)
    Well it's my belief that if any company would do this it would be Alpha. I've never seen the same response to clients that I have with them. However, I think that it would cover the perceived "bugs" rather than compliance with a new OS.

    The problem is that it is just not that simple to “just upgrade”. I hope Alpha recognizes that. I have been writing the app I am getting ready to install for a client for about 8 months. There is no telling what "behavioral changes" V10 would introduce into an app I have MANY hours writing and debugging.
    I feel your pain here, I've just spent months getting an e-commerce website constructed with another package and they just announced that the newest version is coming out in December and will be very different from the current one. This will break most of the customizations I've made. So now I'll get to start all over. Unfortunately this seems to be the game we're in.

    In my little programming world, I fix all bugs for free for the life of the software I have written....even 8-10 years down the road.
    Very courteous and exemplary service. Unfortunately not the norm that I have seen. Your clients should be especially grateful to have you as their developer.

    That is just how I run my business, now if the customer wants a new feature then that is a different story.
    I guess that is my point to this thread. It is about the introduction of a new OS and the possible problems this might cause for versions of Alpha released long before the OS's appearance. It's not a bug! To me it's a new feature - my opinion.

    I realize Alpha cannot do this, but I think just immediately relegating the prior version to an unsupported status is uncool....IMO....
    And unfortunately the norm. I myself would love to see the 2 most current versions be supported. But I also knew when I decided to adopt Alpha as one of my dev platforms the company could not sustain this size of infrastructure. But hopefully, they can grow into it.

    And I hope you don't take this discussion as argumentative. I only mean for it to be how I and others might perceive this issue.

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    • #32
      Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

      It's not a bug! To me it's a new feature - my opinion.
      Yeah...I am with ya' on this. I don't think it is a bug at all....but I don't think it is a new feature either...it is just a patch to make their software compliant with "today's computing world". I realize they can't do that forever for sure...but something like this seems reasonable.

      And I hope you don't take this discussion as argumentative. I only mean for it to be how I and others might perceive this issue.
      Not at all. Differing viewpoints are great...makes the world go round as it were. I appreciate your sincere and honest discourse.

      I guess in the end....I hope Alpha will patch V9 so the PDF driver is Win 7 compatible. But, if not...I will work around it somehow if I get clients with Win 7 machines....although I might tell them not to if we can still get XP in the future...or until I can get my customers all to pay for upgrades to my apps to get converted to V10. :D:D

      Regards,

      Jeff

      Added Later...additional thought...

      Well since the upgrade for the v10 developer/unlimited runtime is $399 and these are the developers tools for one to work with, it would seem to me that this is the cost for the developer to advance his ability to work.
      Just another thought. From my eyes...the cost of the upgrade to V10 is insignificant. It is my time (or lack thereof) for upgrading / converting that I see as the real cost (when changing versions) as you can probably attest to from the e-commerce app you mentioned.
      Last edited by jkletrovets; 11-02-2009, 03:23 PM.

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      • #33
        Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

        I can't really agree with you on this point. There are too many examples to list of companies that have upgraded (in a free patch) their software as the computing world changes. I don't think you can live in a vacuum if you are in business of making software such as Alpha.
        If you are supplying software, there should be a disclaimer as to the platform you can run it on. example: win2000, XP and Vista. When a user calls me that something is not working, I first ask what versionof windows is being used. All programmers do this to the best of my knowledge.

        Alpha5V9 was old with support for certain versions of windows only. Win7 was not one of those.

        Most companies in my field charge for upgrades and updates are free. Seems alpha does the same with upgrades and patches.


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        Dave Mason
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        • #34
          Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

          I get the same error when trying to convert reports to excel or word.
          Preview report, click on adobe, select excel option or word option.

          Running V9 and Windows 7

          Charlie Crimmel

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          • #35
            Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

            [QUOTE]Well since the upgrade for the v10 developer/unlimited runtime is $399 and these are the developers tools for one to work with, it would seem to me that this is the cost for the developer to advance his ability to work./QUOTE]
            Where are you finding this price? The way I read it it is $599 for upgrade for developer/unlimited runtime.

            Jim

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            • #36
              Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

              Look here

              https://www.alphasoftware.com/shop/v10/

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              • #37
                Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                Tom,
                correct link?? Developer and Runtime combination is $599 as Jim indicated in that page/special/ad.
                Mike
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                • #38
                  Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                  Originally posted by Tbaker View Post
                  I see:
                  RUNTIME - $399
                  Runtime AND Developer version - $599.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                    Originally posted by Tbaker View Post
                    I see:
                    RUNTIME - $399
                    Runtime AND Developer version - $599.

                    Kinda hard to use the runtime if you don't also have the developer version.

                    Hmmm, I have no idea how I managed to get this posted twice!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                      Thanks Mike

                      In my haste I didn't see the first part developer - I just looked at the Unlimited runtime. It has been a long day.

                      Guess I'm just getting old or older.

                      Tom


                      Edit:

                      Cal just saw your post - I'm going to go sit in the corner and take a time-out:D

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                      • #41
                        Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                        So.... Has anyone determined if V9 will run correctly on Win7 Professional in XP mode? I have a new machine w/ XP64 and have ordered the free Win7 upgrade and am waiting on delivery. I am concerned that the free upgrade from Dell will be a 64bit XP mode instead of 32. Called Dell and they couldn't tell me what I was getting other than Win7 64.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                          Originally posted by MikeC View Post
                          MRichard,
                          IMO, I would not like to have this as the attitude of Alpha.....wouldn't this cause Alpha not be motivated to even try to fix all the bugs as then that would drop the sales of the next version?? Not something that I would want to happen....but as this seems acceptable, I must be in a minority in thought regarding this. :)
                          I hope Mike, you understood that this sentence was meant to sound a bit cynical...
                          Of course I have the same opinion as you do in this matter.
                          But I would not be surprised at all if it did not happen.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                            one very important question for me is - if I get V10, and it installs the new amiui driver, will the new driver cause other versions of Alpha (5,6,7,8,9) to no longer print correctly.

                            never mind - just read all the posts
                            if I install V10, apps I have that are written in V5 thru V9 will no longer print correctly to PDF

                            this is a really major issue for me. man, what a drag

                            and, if I read the posts correctly, previous versions of the driver will not work in Windows 7. Man, what a drag!!!!!!
                            Last edited by martinwcole; 11-04-2009, 05:56 AM.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                              In fact, the more I think about this the worse it looks - most customers using Alpha products are running V9 and most even earlier versions - when they get the word that their product will no longer run in Windows, it will be bad.
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                              • #45
                                Re: Does it run on Windows 7?

                                Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                                In fact, the more I think about this the worse it looks - most customers using Alpha products are running V9 and most even earlier versions - when they get the word that their product will no longer run in Windows, it will be bad.
                                Exactly my point Martin. I can not understand for a single second why Alpha is reacting this under-cooled about such a huge issue.
                                What is a huge issue for their customers, should be a huge issue for them. That simple. It is nice that they have a new product, but they can not see that new product separate from the other products they once sold, simply because their customers use that products in a way there needs to be compatibility up- and downward.

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