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    Ampersand on Button text

    Hi - I am attempting to set up a button with an ampersand in the title ... e.g. 'P & M Records'.

    However, what shows on screen (after the button text is processed for accelerator keys) is ...

    P _M Records.

    Is there any way that I can get Alpha to ignore the ampersand as an accelerator key, and instead write the test literally on the face of the button ?

    Thanks a mill, Jem

    Re: Ampersand on Button text

    Put 2 ampersands instead of one.
    Use an image instead.


      Re: Ampersand on Button text

      I had a good go at this Jem.
      The only way I could get it close to working was to put P&M in a Text box and locate it over the Button.
      One alternative is to create the Button Label as a Bit Map. I used Paint and that works.
      See our Hybrid Option here;

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        Re: Ampersand on Button text

        In vers 10 a pair of ampersands does the trick. ( not much help here, though )

        Another alternative would be to put a text label on the form, and cover it with a transparent hotspot sized the same.


          Re: Ampersand on Button text

          Hi all,

          Thanks very much for your various suggestions. The double && trick doesn't work brilliently in v9, as it puts an underscore in.

          I'll go try the text label trick, and maybe the bitmap approach too. All good learning stuff !

          Cheers Jem


            Re: Ampersand on Button text

            I tried the HotSpot Tom, but it looks different on approach, so all of the apps buttons would need to be changed if conformity is the name of the game.
            If it's just for Jem, then it wouldn't matter.
            See our Hybrid Option here;

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              Re: Ampersand on Button text

              Yes. The hotspot changes the cursor into a pointing hand, much like a link on a web page. Some of my users prefer it. However, I agree that it would be oddly disconcerting if only one of the buttons on the form had this behavior. Still, I thought it worth mentioning cause it would over come the ampersand problem.


                Re: Ampersand on Button text

                Absolutely right Tom. The more ideas the better.
                I tried all sorts, like the Alternative Character Set, and although a lot of the Alt-Chr Set worked, ampersand didn't.
                I hope Jem lets us know what he went for now that the IOM TT has finished.
                See our Hybrid Option here;

                We are the
                Department of Sunshine and Rainbows!

                Hope restored, faith renewed, spirits lifted!


                  Re: Ampersand on Button text

                  I found a way to trick the system:

                  - Place one ampersand in the desired location.
                  - Before the leading charater, type "& " (ampersand followed by three spaces). This
                  should result in "& P & M Records".
                  - Make the button's alignment to be Horizontal Right.
                  - Narrow the button size to cut off the underscore on the left.

                  Once the system finds one accelerator key, the remaining ampersands are interpreted as normal characters. This will process the first space as an accelerator key. Being displayed as an underscore, you cut it off from display with the size and orientation of the button. If you needed the button to be wider, you could add more than three spaces after the first ampersand.



                    Re: Ampersand on Button text

                    I tried this in v8 but the P is underscored. Maybe it will work in other versions. I appreciate your patience though.
                    Speaking of patience:
                    I believe and I could be wrong about this, you could use other characters as accelerators instead of the ampersand. Perhaps you have to go to alpha's settings. But if you do that, you have to change all menus. Not a worthy cause.


                      Re: Ampersand on Button text

                      When I tried this in Version 5, the "P" would be underscored if my first ampersand were immediately prior to the "P". But when I separated them with several spaces, the first space would be underscored while the "P" would not be. By doing that and making the first space non-displayable (by narrowing the width of the button), I accomplished the desired goal..

                      If Versions 8 & 9 behave differently. you can ignore my solution.