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    #1

    Return to top of embedded browse

    It's driving me crazy! Version 4.5 seems to have changed the action of embedded browses.

    I have a simple one-to-many set with an embedded browse. The parent record defines an account and the child table is deposits and withdrawals. Every time I make a change in the browse (child table) and save it, the browse jumps back to the top line. Sometimes there is a delay before the jump occurs but it will always happen.

    I have also copied the data to new tables with no data dictionary (i.e., no field rules) and created a new set. It still happens even with the default form. I also checked with referential integrity both on and off - same results.

    This happens in build 263 and 266 but it does not happen with v4.03. I vaguely recall reading about a change which would affect this but I can't find any reference to it now.

    Anybody know of a solution without going back to v4.03 other than opening a new form with just the child table in order to enter data and make changes?

    A few minutes later... As I was writing this I thought about another app I have that I don't recall having trouble with. I checked it and it works fine - no jumping to the top of the browse. Any thoughts will still be appreciated. In the meantime, I will see if I can discover the difference in my own apps. I may even re-create the problem app from scratch (it's small) to see what happens.
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    RE: Return to top of embedded browse

    Cal, I think you're seeing something in your field rules, or possibly layout level event scripts in your form or browse.

    My Basic Data Entry Form (Revised) does not behave as you describe.

    I suggest you see if the default form behaves the same way... if you still see the browse jump around while using the default form, that would be a definite indicator that it's a field rule at work...


    -- tom

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      #3
      RE: Return to top of embedded browse

      I know I got long-winded but, as I mentioned, I copied the data to a new table with no data dictionaries - i.e., no field rules and no forms - and built a new set but had the same problem with the default form. I also found another set in another app that works just fine so I'm still trying to figure out what's different about the problem one.

      TOM - Also, I sent some e-mail to you just now. Let me know as soon as you get a chance to review it.

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        #4
        RE: Return to top of embedded browse

        Cal:

        I have experienced the same characteristics you describe, but haven't devoted any time in tracking it down.

        I'll give it some thought tonight, and test a few theories, but I just wanted you to know you're not the sole person who has experienced this.

        Since I hadn't seen any comments on this, I had assumed it was something on my end, so it's comforting to know that I have company. SORRY!!!

        I just tested it, and it occurs on every application I have run on build 266, regardless the version it was written under.

        None of my clients have complained about it, and I am only aware of the jump as I have been testing a script that fires from the on depart event for the embedded browse. As it recalculates/rewrites time totals based on all child records sharing the same machine, and the number of machines in use for the same period (minute) in a manufacturing environment, I needed to modify the data for testing. Very annoying!

        I'll let you know what I find out, if anything, and hope you will do the same...

        Craig

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          #5
          RE: Return to top of embedded browse

          Tom:

          The characteristics in question DO occur on your Revised B.D.E.F., at least on my computer.

          Would you please try again, using your default browse for the Namecars.set. You might want to add another 3-4 child records for the test.

          If you go down the column, any single column, actually changing the value in the field, then pressing the down arrow after each change to commit it, does it jump back up to the top row of that column on your machine?

          I find it hard to believe this is a problem only triggered by certain machines.

          Thanks for giving it a second try, assuming you do so...

          Craig

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            RE: Return to top of embedded browse

            I've experienced the same problem. I added a save or commit()to the field rule and it then seems to stay on the current record when I F6 out. But I wish it would just stay put on the current record. Oh yes, I also eliminated one of the 1:m links I had on the set. But I don't think this was the deciding factor.

            I'd like to know how this is resolved.

            Thanks

            Tom

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              #7
              RE: Return to top of embedded browse

              Tom:

              >

              Should read "Would you please try again, using your default FORM for the Namecars.set."

              Sorry for the typing error...

              Craig

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                #8
                RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                Cal:

                Simply put, check your network refresh rate in settings. The jump occurs at the refresh rate. If set to zero, there is no jump.

                For the form I was working on, I had built in self diagnostic "flags" (conditional objects) that are visible when a discrepancy exists in the data being entered.

                In order for the "flags" to become invisible in synch with the correction to the data, I had to set the refresh rate to 1 second.

                I no longer have versions 2 - 4.03 installed, but I checked A5V1. The jump did not occur back in those days, regardless the refresh rate. Frankly, a more preferable choice if I was given one.

                To date, Version 5 has the same jump...

                Craig

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                  #9
                  RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                  Tom:

                  I think the issue has been resolved. Please scroll down to my last reply to Cal for the details.

                  I consider the problem an undesirable characteristic, but it falls short of being called a bug...

                  Craig

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                    RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                    Tom:

                    I think the issue has been resolved. Please scroll down to my last reply to Cal for the details.

                    I consider the problem an undesirable characteristic, but it falls short of being called a bug(?)

                    Craig

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                      #11
                      RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                      Thanks Craig,

                      I changed my setting back to a refresh rate of zero and that seems to have solved the problem. (I don't even remember resetting them in first place.)

                      I do think that Alpha should look into this. Can you imagine the frustration of a user not familiar to A5 if this started happening!

                      I'm also curious to know if it does the same thing on a network - I presume it would.

                      The question still remains - why does my other app not do the same thing? Does the fact that it also has a grandchild table affect it? I'll check it out when I get a chance.

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                        RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                        Cal:


                        I do think that Alpha should look into this. �Can you imagine the
                        frustration of a user not familiar to A5 if this started happening!
                        I agree, It would be better if this didn't
                        occur. Since you have 4.03 on tap, maybe you can see if this is something
                        that occurs on it when the refresh rate is at 1 second or so. Maybe Alpha
                        isn't aware of it, and would be interested in knowing about it.
                        I'll leave it in your hands, as you have more
                        pull at Alpha than I ever will. Besides, they owe you for the real estate
                        quote!
                        I'm also curious to know if it does the same
                        thing on a network - I presume it would.
                        I'll let you know tomorrow, as I am scheduled to
                        stop at a clients, and can test it out. I'll post my results.
                        The question still remains - why does my other
                        app not do the same thing? Does the fact that it also has a grandchild
                        table affect it? I'll check it out when I get a chance.
                        You've got me here. I couldn't figure that
                        out, either. It would be nice if we could select the refresh rate for the
                        individual application, not just the software.
                        As I say, I only reset the refresh rate as a
                        matter of necessity, although the next version does handle my situation much
                        better.



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                          #13
                          RE: Return to top of embedded browse

                          Cal:

                          Yes, it behaves, or should I say misbehaves, exactly the same on a network...

                          Craig

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