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New Pricing - Missing the Boat

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  • #16
    RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

    V4.5 is v4 with fixes. V5 is much much more. I would hate to have somone base whether or not to buy into version 5 by using version 4.5.



    • #17
      RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat


      I am a professional Alpha 5 Message Board Lurker, practically never emerging from viewing mode. However, all this "discussion" seems geared toward one thing -- turning off potential buyers of Version 5. The threads begun yesterday seem more like newsgroup trolling than constructive discussion.

      For a while there, it looked as if Keith B was beginning to understand that the pricing would probably NOT be the obstacle he seemed originally to think. Now he proclaims Alpha's pricing as "missing the boat".

      Which is it, Keith B?

      Btw, which "new users" are going to be put off by the pricing, those who just want to tinker with a database program, or those who prefer not to pay for good software? What Alpha is proposing is reasonable, especially if you're developing and selling your wares; it's like saying you want to make some extra cash by fixing cars but don't want to pay for the right tools (just borrow your neighbor's tools indefinitely, right?). The tinkerer, however, would likely be turned off.

      If I can get my boss's mind off of Access long enough (he's enamored with the plethora of Access books and other resources; can't blame him there), I hope to be able to buy what we need of version 5 (probably 3-user full version and 10-user runtime). The boss might balk, but I at least have to try.

      Sorry for the rant, but the complaints were starting to smell a little funny to me.

      Doug B
      (Lurk mode re-enabled)


      • #18
        RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

        When you simply lurk, you fail to get involved in the conversation. If you can add some constructive criticism to my concerns then, please do so anytime.
        My original concerns were dampened somwhat when I found out what the Runtime option offered and at what price level. I am not a current Alpha 5 user and am merely here to find out what it is like, what to expect in Ver 5.0, what kind of support might be available and what the current pricing is. The database program I choose will be jsut one tool in my toolbox with a new project I hope to develop. I originally saw Alpha 5 at $145 which is a price point below the competition and yet seemingly a better product for those who will take the time and effort to investigate and ask questions. However, even though the shock of what I thought I might have to pay was softened upon some helpful direction by a few folks here at this board (hence one reason I am here). So, if I only needed one tool in my tool box the fact that it had gone up by 2.4 times its original price then I might be able to handle that. A $10 wrench is now $24. A5 going from $145 to $349 is the same increment and very steep, unless somehow Alpha can convince me that this new product is worthy of that kind of increase. All I have heard here is that A5 Ver 4.5 was just a quick fix or such for Ver 4.0. How am I to know what Ver 5.0 really contains. I don't even own Alpha at all at this point. I am trying to make an educated decision to purchase based simply on the promotional material at the Alpha Software website, some good comments here of what is expected in 5.0 and one old article I found about A5 Ver 3 or 4. I've got a lot of tools that need to go into my toolbox aside from A5. Somebody will need to demonstrate that the new $24 wrench is somehow worth 2.4 times more before I buy. You might have been a new user at one time and when you paid out of your own pocket you probably were looking for the best price vs. productivity option you could find.


        • #19
          RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

          On a side note, you can see some dancing bananas ceremoniously welcoming A5V5 to fruition.



          • #20
            RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat


            1) The price for V5 never was $145. That was v4.5. It is common prictive for software companies to raise the price on a new release.

            2) V5. will be all that it's been claimed to be. How about this? Call and place your order and ask if they still have the money back guarentee. I believe Alpha has always had a 60 day 100% money back guarentee, less S&H. Where else will you find that?

            TYVM :) kenn

            Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.


            • #21
              RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat


              Maybe you can download the free trial - try before you buy as it were. Contact Alpha, maybe they will help. I bet they add v5 to the free trial page soon.


              • #22
                RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

                I think the free trial was only for v4.5. Their web site hasn't changed and I haven't heard that'they'll provide v5 as a free trial. I think Keith has been working with the beat version anyhow.

                TYVM :) kenn

                Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.


                • #23
                  RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

                  Yes, there will be a trial version of Version 5. I do not know exactly when it will becime available, but it should be shortly after the V5 is available.


                  Lenny Forziati
                  Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
                  Alpha Software Corporation


                  • #24
                    RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

                    OK, so you can save 1.0-(1.0/2.4)= 58% on the initial cost of the software - but it takes 5-10 times as long to develop each and every application. Now, if the software was costing $100,000's and your time is worth $1's - then the software cost is a big issue.

                    Though I'm sure it doesn't really matter to anyone else, I think the new users are getting a great deal - this price for a superior product is comparable to the competition. On the other hand, Alpha is kind of taking advantage of their existing customers in charging 2-3 times what the competitors do for upgrades. Most customers will pay it - because it's still worth every bit of it in the increased productivity.


                    • #25
                      RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

                      I'll watch for a Trial version unless I decide on something before it is available.

                      I wasn't referring to Ver 5.0 being at $145 but rather A5 Ver 4.5. A nearly 2 1/2 times increase in price is not typical for new release of software. From the positive comments I've heard thus far, it does seem that Alpha is capable of introducing an extraordinary new version.


                      • #26
                        RE: New Pricing - Missing the Boat

                        I think I knew a girl from there.