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True Confessions...

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    True Confessions...

    To all of you who worked so hard, or followed my thread a few weeks ago about MISSING DATA...I have found the problem - and it WASN'T ANYTHING THE IT DEPARTMENT WAS DOING! I have decided to confess to you, because the problem could come up again, here on the board. In fact, I think someone mentioned looking at posting operations...which is precisely what the problem was.

    Briefly, the PACE ROSTER table contains 1 record per "client". The EDUCATION table can contain more than 1 record per "client". I had created a post in the field rules of the EDUCATION table, to post ENTER AND EXIT dates into the PACE ROSTER. I SHOULD HAVE created the post rule in the PACE ROSTER table! Get it?

    Now - should I confess to my boss and the IT Dept? Actually, I have to - because to not confess would be deceiving, and that is not good for the soul...anyone have any great ideas of HOW I should go about confessing?

    Wanda

    #2
    RE: True Confessions...

    Wow, I would bet you are the only one on here that's ever made a mistake! Hahahaha!! I am to the point that I know I made the mistake, just not sure how I made it. Hope you feel better now!!!! At least we have this board to help us through. What a group! I'm a slightly more than a novice at Alpha but the people on this board have been great and have helped me so much!

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      #3
      RE: True Confessions...

      No, not the only one, I know...but I threw such a fit with IT, and swore that I had exhausted all possibilities of the problem being caused by my "programming"...now I have to eat my words, and they don't taste very good!

      Wanda

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        #4
        RE: True Confessions...

        Wanda:

        You just have to thank them for all the efforts they made to find the problem, tell them that you yourself never gave up looking, hence the discovery of the solution; that putting the post operation where you did was logical (if wrong) and that you learned a huge amount about the inner workings of Alpha during the search and thank them for all the efforts ... you get the picture.

        I think they will be pleasantly surprised and happy when you tell them. If they are not, they should be.

        Finian
        Finian

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          #5
          RE: True Confessions...

          Finian,
          Great suggestion :>)...except they DIDN'T OFFER ANY HELP, WHATSOEVER...but, you are right - perhaps they can appreciate the learning curve. At least I know my direct supervisor will appreciate the honesty - AND persevering to actually find the problem.

          Thanks for the encouragement and advise...it is well taken!
          Wanda

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            #6
            RE: True Confessions...

            Wanda,

            Finnian has a great idea there but your DEMEANOR during the talk must be proper. You should....

            1. Look apologetically down at the floor.
            2. As you speak, absent-mindedly scratch at the floor with one foot [as if you were outside kicking dirt].
            3. Look relatively pitiful. Then.....
            4. Tell 'em to cram it!

            They might not like it but it might do wonders for you. It's worked for me in the past.

            Ken

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              #7
              RE: True Confessions...

              That's the way Wanda has always behaved, so it shouldn't be a problem.
              There can be only one.

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                #8
                RE: True Confessions...

                NOT TRUE, STAN!!! I do not have to ACT guilty when I AM guilty! My one little ace in the hole is that I always said there's that very slight chance that it could be my "programming"...

                I think I'll wait awhile and see if my dreams bring a vision of how I should ACT in this very sticky situation...well, I AM from California - that's what we Californian's do.

                I still like Finian's answer the best - so there!

                :))))))))))
                Wanda

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                  #9
                  RE: True Confessions...

                  Well, here's my facetious 2 cents worth.

                  Tell IT just how much you've appreciated they're time and efforts, as little as it was, because it forced you to spend a ton more time than necessary. Add to that the fussin' and fumin' that it caused you. Why, you now have an arsenal of choice words, quotes and demeanor that you wouldn't of had otherwise. Hey, why not throw a fit while you're telling them this to prove how good you've become?

                  Now on a serious note. Finian's got the right idea. But, I do like the bowed head and movin' the foot bit. Perhaps you could try putting your finger to your lips as your speaking. And again seriously, make your efforts to solve this sound positive and brag on how hard you worked to solve the problem, enlisting your resources, etc.

                  kenn
                  TYVM :) kenn

                  Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                    #10
                    RE: True Confessions...

                    Well, Ken - I'm just going to take the slack like - well, not like a man - but not coy like so many women - I think if I present myself as Finian suggests, but leave out all the cute little coy stuff, I might just end up ACTING like a real developer! I think I've arrived, by George! Now, all I have to do is drum up the courage...I will tell my supervisor, tomorrow morning during our routine meeting...and then send an email to the IT Dept head...

                    I must ask again, though, if any of you will hire me if I lose this job! At least you know that I'm honest and I know how to design a post field rule - LOL! Oh - and I always have those EDB's for sale(Emergency Data Bags)!

                    TTFN! And to all a good night! - Wanda

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                      #11
                      RE: True Confessions...

                      So, does this coin the name, Wonderful Wanda or SHW = Simply Honest Wanda or SHHW = Simply Honest & Humble Wanda or WHO = Wanda the Honest One. In your email to IT, keep it vague and sign your name, WHO? Let'em figure it out.

                      Something like:

                      Ddear IT,

                      A while back there was an emanate of misplaced information. It was very hard to track down but, finally, after much investigation, the missing material has been located and put back in it�s proper place.

                      Thank you for your services,

                      WHO?


                      kenn
                      TYVM :) kenn

                      Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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                        #12
                        RE: True Confessions...

                        Great - I will blend your last post, Ken, with Finian's :) Courage is building, here :)

                        Thanks!
                        WHO

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                          #13
                          RE: True Confessions...

                          Wanda:
                          I keep a sign at my computer (the one I use for development). It says:
                          "COMPUTER ERRORS WILL NEVER FULLY REPLACE HUMAN STUPIDIY!"
                          Not one of us (developers) has been able to avoid making what, in retrospect are "stupid" errors. To display the sign is a constant reminder of just how hard we must work on a consistant basis, to provide the 99% successes we are knwon for.

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                            #14
                            RE: True Confessions...

                            My father taught me early on two important principles:

                            1. Do not lie.

                            2. Do not tell all that you know to be true unless asked.

                            So hope they do not ask :)

                            Tom Lyon

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                              #15
                              RE: True Confessions...

                              Thanks for the round-about encouragement...but, I prefer to use the term "humble ignorance" - it's a little softer and actually more accurate, don't you think?

                              I keep a sign at my desk that says, "Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that amateurs built the ark, and professionals built the Titanic!"

                              Indeed, trying the posting field rule was new to me...perhaps I was mistakenly thinking of myself as a bona-fide professional...at least I didn't build the Titanic and insist it was unsinkable!

                              HIWHO (Humbly Ignorant Wanda, the Honest One!)

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