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    Beta 5 Security

    Just set up initial password for database. No users or permissions set yet.
    Now I cannot open the data base.
    The field for user has a dropdown that only includes "Administrator". Selecting that immediately closes the security dialog window.
    I have entered the initial password in the password field, and it does not accept. I have entered in lowercase and in UPPERCASE.
    I have entered the initial password into pw field, and tried to paste value into Name field, but still will not allow access to database.

    At this point, I am totally locked out of the database. So how do I get back in?

    #2
    RE: Beta 5 Security

    Robert,

    Using beta build 1067 I just created a database wide password and was able to re-enter the database using it, just fine. Typed the password and pressed Enter and the database opened.

    If this won't work for you, you'll probably have to create a new database in the same folder and 'add' your existing tables to it. I don't know of a way around the password block, and wouldn't publish it here if I did.

    -- tom

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      #3
      RE: Beta 5 Security

      I had the same problem.

      I guess it is a feature/glitch/bug :) with the Beta.
      It seams you need at least one user and/or group or
      A5v5 gets very upset.

      So next time, make you to add a user after making the admin.

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        #4
        RE: Beta 5 Security

        Tom,
        That may work, but the tables will still be encrypted. So the same password has to be used, so if the password is not accepted in the original db....???
        Peter
        Peter
        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

        [email protected]
        https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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          #5
          RE: Beta 5 Security


          Peter,

          Encrypted? I missed him saying that his tables were encrypted. Are you saying that setting a password for the database automatically encrypts all the tables? I did not think that was the case. -- tom

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            #6
            RE: Beta 5 Security

            Ok, I stand corrected, I guess.

            But, if you are going to password the front end, it stands to reason that you would cover the back end, as well.
            Peter
            AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

            [email protected]
            https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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              #7
              RE: Beta 5 Security


              Peter,

              No correction was intended, just clarification. If password protecting a database automatically encrypted the data I wanted to learn about it sooner rather than later!

              -- tom

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                #8
                RE: Beta 5 Security

                Tom,

                Well, you are correct. You can password the application w/o encrypting any tables. But you cannot encrypt any tables w/o first password protecting the application. Supposedly you can do this with xbasic (as well as from the controlpanel). I have tried it both ways. The xbasic standpoint (i.e. supplying the master password in the autoexec script) seems to work, but I didn't try it out rigorously - if you know what I mean.

                Peter
                Peter
                AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                [email protected]
                https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                  #9
                  RE: Beta 5 Security

                  I just checked again with a database and had no trouble adding a password and then getting back into the database. As far as I can tell this has been working for a very long time. If it's not going to compromise your security, can you tell us what password(s) you used that would not work again when re-entering them? Perhaps there is a bug, and if it can be confirmed by other users, Alpha should know about it before the release of v5.

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                    #10
                    RE: Beta 5 Security

                    I agree about the bug potential before release.

                    I just entered "alpha" as the name and "alpha" as the password. This was just an initial attempt to understand how the security would be working. But I had already had 4 tables in the database. I am not really excited about recreating these databases. Perhaps I missed a step of entering a password for administrator? If I did, is there a default? Again, just selecting Administrator as a name, immediately closes this window and I have no chance to enter a password. I tried entering password first, then selecting Administrator and same result. I can send the database if this will help.

                    Also, may I suggest that a separate forum be set up for Beta5 issues.

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                      #11
                      RE: Beta 5 Security

                      What did you use as the master password? the master passworrd is the one for the administrator? You do not supply a user name with the master password.

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                        #12
                        RE: Beta 5 Security

                        Using build 1067, I opened a brand new, empty database.
                        I added a master password of "alpha", closed the database, then opened it again as Administrator using the password "alpha".
                        I then added a user, "peter", with password, "peter".
                        I closed the database, then opened it again and chose user "peter", password "peter".

                        I have used passwords on the v5 databases for several months now and never had a problem getting back into the databases. The group/user object permissions are not fully operational, but that is not something that I care much about, and it is documented that it is incomplete, anyhow.

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                          #13
                          RE: Beta 5 Security

                          Robert,

                          There's no need to recreate your tables, unless you encrypted them.

                          Create a new database in the same folder, then add your tables to the new database.

                          -- tom

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                            #14
                            RE: Beta 5 Security

                            Thanks, that saved some work. I did make a new database, and I copied the tables into the new database. I tried again with security and had no problem using the same words. I suspect that the initial screens are not naturally intuitive. This time I closed the database immediately after entering password for administrator. I don't remember doing that initially. I think I was able to go right to a user name and password without creating pasword for administrator first.

                            Anyway, now that I am in there, it does appear that the user names/groups still need some more work. The Quick Set does not appear to be working for users or for groups. I need to go in and set permissions manually....too much effort at this point.

                            It also looks like users are in groups that they belong to when looking at the user tab. When looking at the group tab, it can be seen that the membership is correct. I know this is beta software so a this time I am not using the permissions although I want to use it as a feature of the final product.

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                              #15
                              RE: Beta 5 Security

                              you write
                              I tried again with security and had no problem using the same words. I suspect that the initial screens are not naturally intuitive. This time I closed the database immediately after entering password for administrator. I don't remember doing that initially. I think I was able to go right to a
                              user name and password without creating pasword for administrator first.


                              i honestly can't see how that can be done. if you can reproduce this, however, please send it on to selwyn rabins, because this should definitely be corrected before v5 ships. the only security option that is not enabled on an un-protected database on my computer is the one to apply a master password. aftger the m master password is applied, it is then possible to add users, groups, etc.

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