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  • Network Optimize changing permissions?

    In a network environment, my database works fine for users who are running the Runtime and sharing the master copy. They can login, perform their tasks, etc.

    The users have their own group, separated by department. All groups have Run access to the startup form, which, again, works fine under the shared master setup.

    When I shadow a copy on their local desktops, they cannot login. A57 tells them they do not have Run permissions on the Startup form. Do you guys have any ideas as to why the permissions would have been changed on a network optimize, or anything else that could be causing them to be unable to login?

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    Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

    Ok, You lost me.

    Are you saying that your users are not running shadowed now?? You cannot get them shadowed?? They are running runtime, but accessing the master db across a lan directly??

    Have you tried shadowing them from the master by accessing the master from their runtime?

    dave
    Dave Mason
    dave@aldadesktop.com
    Skype is dave.mason46

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    • #3
      Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

      Sorry, I'm a bit new to Alpha Five, coming over from an Access / SQL environment.

      The way it's setup is there's a folder on the server containing all of the database files. This folder is shared, and all users have access to it. All users have A57 Runtime installed on their individual machines, and when they open the database, they navigate to the .adb file in the shared folder on the server's hard drive and open it. They are then prompted for their user/pass, and are logged in. This setup works fine, they're able to do their work (albeit a bit slowly, waiting on Alpha Five, but that's what I'm hoping network optimizing will solve.)

      What I've attempted to do is go to their individual machines, open their Runtime, open the .adb in the shared folder on the server's hard drive, log in as myself (since they don't get the control panel when they log in), and run the network optimize wizard on their machines. This creates the new .adb with all the associated files, which I place in a directory on their machines. When they access this new file and are prompted with their user/pass, they are given the unable to access Startup form due to not having the Run permission.

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      • #4
        Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

        I think the problem may be in the way you attempted to prepare your runtime work stations to work with a shadow db. Review the following help file. This is the procedure I have always used and have never had difficulties.

        http://support.alphasoftware.com/alp...w_Database.htm
        Cheryl
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        • #5
          Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

          I will give that a shot and report back. One thing I forgot to mention is that it will let me login. The only difference being I'm in the Admin group and have access to all areas... but that does make it a bit odd.

          I'll let you know if that solves it, thanks Cheryl!

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          • #6
            Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

            Cheryl,

            Your suggestion did not fix it :( I am still getting permission denied to run form Startup after it optimizes the database for a network connection.

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            • #7
              Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

              Thiazi,

              Sorry that was not able to resolve your issue. I am fresh out of ideas. Are you using Vista? Perhaps that is the cause. I would review some of the other various threads on the runtime installations to get some other ideas. Sorry I could not be of further assistance.
              Cheryl
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              • #8
                Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                Thiazi,
                How many users do you have and how many does your runtime allow?
                do your users have a proper permission on their work station machines?
                as Cheryl asked, What version of windows are you/they running?

                also, The runtime should work just like start in the application on the server or the way you are doing it now.
                Dave Mason
                dave@aldadesktop.com
                Skype is dave.mason46

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                • #9
                  Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                  All machines are Windows XP Pro -- no Vista's in the mix.

                  We have about 15 users, and our Runtime license allows for 20 (we've never maxed it out).

                  All of our users have Local Administrator rights on their PCs.

                  Server runs Win2003 Server, all client machines are XP Pro.

                  The Runtime is installed on their machine now (locally). The way they're accessing the database is by opening the .adb that resides in the shared folder on the server. When I do the exact same, then go over to Control Panel, run Network Optimize, then exit/re-enter the database using the new .adb saved locally on their machine, I'm presented with the permissions error.

                  Any other ideas? :(

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                  • #10
                    Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                    I am not as familiar with 2003 server as I should be, but there are a lot of threads on here concerning problems there. I would suggest you search the threads as the problem may have to do with that.

                    You may call alpha on this one, but i don't know what to tell you from here.

                    Dave
                    Dave Mason
                    dave@aldadesktop.com
                    Skype is dave.mason46

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                    • #11
                      Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                      Thiazi,

                      No. 1 Make sure you have the correct licensing for the Windows 2003 Server software.

                      No. 2 If you are OK on the above, make sure your permissions given to all of the XP workstations are correct. Make sure all the machines can access the shared folder on the server.

                      Unlike XP, 2003 server is a real pistol on permissions given to workstations.

                      Regards

                      Ed

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                      • #12
                        Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                        Make sure permissions for the "share" is set correctly. Share permissions are different from folder permissions.

                        HTH,
                        TD

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                        • #13
                          Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                          Hi guys,

                          Thanks for the new information, I will check those in the morning when I get into the office. Out of curiousity, would the permissions come into play when they can access the database by opening it on their local machine, but opening the copy in the shared folder? That's what they're doing now and it's working just fine. When it stops is after the network optimize takes the database's .adb file and makes a copy on their local machine - then, they try to access that and get denied.

                          Also, what should I check in terms of Windows server licensing? I do know the server is fully licensed with 20 CALs.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                            Hi Thiazi,

                            Are you making the shortcut on the desktops before you make the shadow copy on each workstation?

                            If so, after you optimize and the runtime is looking at the shadow data base, you need to make the shortcut look at the shadow data base on each workstation not the server.

                            If your Windows 2003 is licensed for 20 CAL's, you are fine.

                            Regards

                            Ed

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                            • #15
                              Re: Network Optimize changing permissions?

                              Ed,

                              I'm just creating a new folder on the desktop, then running network optimize and letting it drop all its resulting files in the new folder on the desktop. Then, I'm accessing the .adb from the new folder on the desktop. Is that the correct procedure?

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