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  • CPU maxed under V8

    My notebook is running XP Home V2002, SP2. Has a 1.30 GHz Celeron with 496MB of RAM. I have an networked app that ran fine shadowed under V7. Under V8, however, some operations and scripts cause the CPU (when viewed under Windows Task Manager) to go to 100% usage and stay there, effectively locking up the app.

    My desktop production PC is W2K Pro SP4, Athlon processor and 458MB of RAM, and all scripts and operations work fine.

    Anyone else experienced this? Seems like Selwyn posted some code to disable the caching feature of V8, but I can't find it.

    Bob Arbuthnot

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    Re: CPU maxed under V8

    I get the same scenario with a second notebook, this one runs XP Home, V2002, SP2 with an AMD Sempron 3300+, 797 mHz and 384 Mb RAM. The CPU hits 100% in the same routines and locks up the application.

    Interestingly, on both notebooks, if I open the application un-shadowed all routines run, though more slowly than they used to run under V7.

    I'm wondering if there's an XP setting that needs to be set for V8 that wasn't necessary under V7? Also, has Alpha stated minimum H/W requirements for V8? If they have, I couldn't find them in the help files or the web site.

    If anyone has any thoughts as to what's going on I would appreciate hearing them.

    Bob Arbuthnot

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      Re: CPU maxed under V8

      this is a 25 cent guess, but you may be hitting the swap file. try increasing the memory to 1 gig on one and see what happens.

      the laptop may be using memory for managing the video and leaving you with too little
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        Re: CPU maxed under V8

        Definetly add more memory if you can. V8.0 runs much faster on my Dual core 2.8 mhZ desktop with 2 GIG of ram than v7.0 did. And the V8.0 Runtime even runs a little faster on my really old 333 mhZ laptop with 96 MB of RAM. And Alpha has greatly improved the re-drawing of screens - especially with Bitmaps on them. Since you can't add a video card to your laptop, your video adapter is sharing your system ram - which slows things down a lot. Put more memory in and I'll bet you will see v8.0 is faster than 7.0.

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          Re: CPU maxed under V8

          Thanks for replying Martin and Dave,

          First, is a swap file the same as a paging file? If it is, then, Martin, I followed your $0.25 advice and increased the file size first to 1000Mb and then to 4096 Mb (apparently the max allowed by XP). Neither change made any difference.

          Interestingly, as I said before, when I first navigate to the db on the network from the Runtime notebook, the operations and scripts all run fine unshadowed. When I first create the shadowed database from the Control Panel on the Runtime notebook, the operations and scripts all run fine, also. It's only when I create the desktop icon, close the app and then reopen using the desktop icon that some of my operations and scripts take the CPU to 100% and it stays there, locking up the app.

          Any other thoughts? Anyone?

          Bob Arbuthnot

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            Re: CPU maxed under V8

            I wonder if there is something in the app causing this as apparently others aren't seeing it. (I haven't set up the v8 runtime yet.)
            I think you can check this out 1 step at a time.
            Check the Icon and make sure it actually is referencing the shadow.
            Try making a small app and see if you get the problem.
            If not try making a small app that is part of your larger app and see if that works.

            Is there anything in your autoexec script that might be calling a hard coded path?

            There appears to be something abnormal going on and it might take some effort to find it.
            Unless someone else has something more specific it is probably going to be trial and error.
            This probably isn't much help, but it may not be a simple problem.

            Russ

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              Re: CPU maxed under V8

              Hi Russ,

              Thanks for the thoughtful reply. The icon does point to the shadowed data base folder. The application opens fine and the processor goes to 0 after it opens. So I don't think it has anything to do with the autoexec, but I might be wrong. Beyond that I'm thinking the most efficient answer would be to invest in more memory (I was just pricing 1Gb sticks online when you posted).

              Bob

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                Re: CPU maxed under V8

                Just to close out this thread...

                1) Purchased 1Gb of RAM (to make a total of 1.25Gb), installed last evening, problem persisted.
                2) Had day off today and wanted to get to bottom of this, so installed full version on notebook PC (so I wouldn't have to keep rebuilding shadows every time I tried a change), went to Beta patch site to get a newer patch since my app has some changes made under 1401-3068. Downloaded 1446-3070 and opened app locally under Full Version and the problem was gone.
                3) Downloaded 1446-3070 RT to notebook, opened the app as a network user and the problem was gone.

                Conclusion?
                Either 1446-3070 fixed my problem, OR installing and running Full Version tripped some trigger in the notebook configuration that resolved the problem, OR something else...

                Anyway, now works, and you can never have enough memory, right?

                Bob Arbuthnot

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