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  • MS-SQL or MySQL?

    Wondering how many are using MS-SQL or MySQL and why did you make that decision?

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    Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

    I use both but if I had to choose one I'd go with MySQL. MySQL is robust, it has great tools, it works, and it's free. MSSQL is Microsoft and I haven't been happy with them since they released a deadly Access run-time and refused to fix it for six months. It cost developers quite a bit to roll back their systems. Couldn't even get an explanation from MS. I'd been working with Access as a front end since V1.0 but no more... that's how I found Alpha 5.

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    • #3
      Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

      Betty:

      I decided quite some time ago to use PostgreSQL instead on MS-SQL or MySQL. I wanted open source with the ability to distribute applications without any licensing costs (still required is some cases with MySQL). I preferred the transaction abilities in PostgreSQL and the replication abilities (beginning in version 9). My research showed that PostgreSQL had better data integrity, adherence to the SQL standards, better database security and database compression than MySQL. I am a strong believer in open source and would pick MySQL over MS-SQL for the applications which I write if I could not choose PostgreSQL.

      Brad

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      • #4
        Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

        I strongly dislike working in MS-SQL, even though I know others make it their preference. From my experience, MS-SQL overly complicates the process; example:

        - you add an innocent field like Flag1, type smallint and later decide to change it to a field type BIT. But MS will have created a Dependancy on that field (even though it is not involved in any relationship) disallowing you to delete or modify its type. Now I am sure it does not do this without reason, but I can't figure it out. In order to change the field type you have to use MS-Studio (not Navicat) to remove the dependancy. But your whole database becomes full of these restricted fields making it difficult to move forward. Again, I am positive it is doing this for some good reason.

        - Creating a remote connection between my local computer is much more complex for MS than for MY.

        There are other reasons I find MS to be more difficult to work with than MY. But mostly you need a database you feel comfortable with or have previous experience. Each are a little different.
        I am sure a MS user will point out its benefits, I find it annoying and in my way compared to MySQL.
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        • #5
          Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

          Coming from dbf, I was in the same dilemma a few weeks ago. I started with Mysql, played with for a while then decided to try MS SQL Express. First I had to download tons of updates to please SQL Express, then the installation was much more complicated, then felt my system got slower. Played with SQL Express for a while and missed the simplicity of Mysql. Uninstalled SQL Express, clean up my registry and went back to Mysql.

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            Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

            Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
            - you add an innocent field like Flag1, type smallint and later decide to change it to a field type BIT. But MS will have created a Dependancy on that field (even though it is not involved in any relationship) disallowing you to delete or modify its type. Now I am sure it does not do this without reason, but I can't figure it out. In order to change the field type you have to use MS-Studio (not Navicat) to remove the dependancy. But your whole database becomes full of these restricted fields making it difficult to move forward. Again, I am positive it is doing this for some good reason.
            Steve if I understand you correct you are not allowed to change datatype in a table. This is a new feature in SQL2008 and is enabled by default. If you want to disable this "protection" uncheck option Prevent saving changes that require table re-creation in MS SQL Server Management Studio under Tools | Options | Designers | Table and Database Designers.

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            • #7
              Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

              Slavko, Thanks I will do that. I can't just say No to MS because some of my client demand it. But again a look at relative complexity over MYSQL - I use Navicat for both MYSQL and MSSQL. On the MYSQL side something like Permission is pretty straight forward. For MSSQL it is multiple layers thicker, more complex, more options. My real problem - I don't know it well enough to ensure I am doing it right. I don't want to screw up something as important as permissions, and MS is many times more complex than MYSQL, at least looking at Navicat's interface to it.
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              • #8
                Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                Originally posted by Fisher View Post
                Steve if I understand you correct you are not allowed to change datatype in a table. This is a new feature in SQL2008 and is enabled by default. If you want to disable this "protection" uncheck option Prevent saving changes that require table re-creation in MS SQL Server Management Studio under Tools | Options | Designers | Table and Database Designers.
                I got stumped by that one too until I did some digging on the internet. It's a good thing to know.
                We use MS SQL here because it is our facility standard. So, basically I use it because I have to. I personally have no issues with it and I'm comfortable using it.

                Stephen
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                • #9
                  Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                  I agree with you. I on the other side trying to start using MySQL, but I'm afraid so I won't leave some hole open because i don't know it enough. The best is if you know both, because once will be more appropriate 1st and other time 2nd database.

                  But I have a Q regarding of a definition of word "free" in MySQL? Is that really free? I think I read somewhere that is free only for personal use. So how we can use it then for business purposes? MS SQL Express edition on the other side is really free, but it has limits on allowed memory and other things.

                  You also mention Navicat. I heard for that tool first here on that forum. Can you design database with Navicat like you can for example with TOAD Data Modeler by Quest?

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                    Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                    Originally posted by Fisher View Post
                    You also mention Navicat. I heard about that tool first here on the forum. Can you design database with Navicat like you can for example with TOAD Data Modeler by Quest?
                    Yes, Navicat is very good for managing tables, view, procedures, queries, etc., and for keeping local and remote dbs in sync as needed, import/export and database documentation. It does have a data modeler as of latest version. I think their data modeler is lacking some features and I use ERD Concepts instead.
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                    • #11
                      Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                      Can you create with Navicat scripts which will know how to modify existing tables in the database which already contain data? For example, like you mention before, you change data type on a field or add/change relations on live database.

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                      • #12
                        Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                        Navicat is just a proxy for managing the database. You can create queries, procedures, functions -- anything else that the database allows. But you are really creating those directly on the database, using Navicat to make it a little easier. I say easier, but in the area of Triggers and Stored Procedures, Navicat doesn't do much to make it easier. You still have to know SQL syntax and structure.
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                        • #13
                          Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                          Thanks, Steve. I just downloaded a trial version and I will explore it. If I will have more Q's about it I will ask in a new thread.

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                          • #14
                            Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                            MS SQL will have a bigger memory/CPU footprint than MySQL will, but it's very powerful, and can be used on huge databases.

                            MySQL can generally be free for the Community Edition and is very good. There is also MariaDB which is a drop in replacement for MySQL and also free.

                            Postgresql is free also.

                            There is HeidiSQL which is similar to Navicat and SQLYog but is free. I happen to use SQLYog because I wanted the Schema and data sync capabilities.

                            Triggers in MS SQL and MySQL are very powerful to be able to add business logic in the database instead of programming, but the syntax between MS SQL, MySQL and Postgresql for triggers is totally different, but very much worth learning.

                            Alan

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                              Re: MS-SQL or MySQL?

                              Hello There,

                              I would rather use a none free products since I found out that for the long run it cost me more time to do certain things and get certain features. I am using heavily MS SQL and like the idea of a Clustered Index where I can move hundreds of GB in less than an hour. See my article in here: http://www.dfarber.com/computer-cons...ch-easier.aspx
                              I am using data modeling for the last 13 years that really creates all stored procedures locally and then I can update the server whenever I am ready. This is the tool at: http://www.xCase.com

                              Regards,

                              Doron

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