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  • Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

    Abyss now has built in reverse proxy which makes it maybe a perfect partner with Alpha. Without this feature it was useless with Alpha earlier. Abyss is also available as a 64-bit edition. Abyss has small footprint and you can also run php or asp.net domains with it. Abyss also has security features that Alpha now can take advance.

    So with reverse proxy you can run Alpha behind Abyss. You can also for example install ssl to Abyss and then use Abyss to ssl Alphas data traffic so no need to have separate Alpha server in port 443.

    Your url could be something like this:
    yourdomain.com (=abyss server)
    yourdomain.com/a/index.a5w (=alpha server)

    I tested with Alphas security enabled when sending and receiving url is identical and everything worked as expected . But this was just a very quick test and I don't never load a5.js library so maybe somebody else can test how it works with Abyss.

    So no hurry to IIS support anymore. Maybe.

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    Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

    I tried this using the beta version of Abyss with reverse proxy hoping I could make it do Host Headers. I can try again. Host Headers would allow you to run different domains (mysite1.com, mysite2.com) under one instance of Alpha Five. I still doubt it will work based on my conversations with Alpha but I can try again.
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      Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

      Interesting is to make one minute stress test in same machine and test performance Abyss vs Alpha. Because every machine is different I don't bother to tell my result here but If you have possibility to test do it. It is good to know Alphas performance in practice compared to other servers.

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        Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

        The Abyss implementation of reverse proxy is in practice very nice with Alpha

        If you have for example domain mydomain.com.

        mydomain.com runs Abyss in port 80

        Then you install Was let say in port 8080 and bind it to 127.0.0.1

        Then you can configure Abyss to act as reverse proxy for Alpha in 127.0.0.1:8080

        So url mydomain.com you run Abyss server
        And url mydomain.com/whatever you run Alpha in port 127.0.0.1:8080.

        This gives you three advantages.

        1) You can buy cheap ssl to Abyss and you use this ssl to secure both Abyss and Alphas traffic.
        This means you do not have to buy expensive wildcards ssl certificates because Abyss and Alpha now runs in same domain.
        https://mydomain.com and https://mydomain.com/was both works and note Alpha runs in port 8080.

        2) Because mydomain.com and mydomain.com/was fills the same origin policy requirements you can use pure ajax between these two separate servers which normally is not allowed. This means that you can use Abyss as a loadbalancer serving server requests to html ,javascript, pictures, files and so on content. So you can directly from *.a5w pages load content from Abyss server using ajax.

        3) Abyss security is available

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          Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

          Ken, this is indeed exciting. I was a big fan and user of the short-lived Alpha-Apache integration (no longer available). I used it primarly to a) block access by various filters, b) host headers (virtual hosting) and c) dual port 80/ssl apps.
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            Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

            Steve,

            Did you do the testing for hostheaders with this new Abyss release ? I'd be interested to know.
            Frank

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            • #7
              Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

              No, I am going on what Ken says. It will be several months before I get a chance to test. I was waiting for Abyss to come out with their version with reverse proxy for a long time, but I cannot test it for a while.
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                Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                I got my start through A5, so I'm asking from a place of total ignorance. I understand the basics here but wanted to ask and clarify a couple of things:

                This means that you can use Abyss as a loadbalancer serving server requests to html ,javascript, pictures, files and so on content. So you can directly from *.a5w pages load content from Abyss server using ajax.
                So for example, if I've got a grid component using Javascript to open a PDF in a div in my application, would Abyss handle this? If so, is there reason to think with Abyss the PDFs would download faster? (we've got a significant, in-constant-use document library so this might be really useful)

                Host Headers would allow you to run different domains (mysite1.com, mysite2.com) under one instance of Alpha Five.
                I understand the concept, but I have already broken my one (internal) application into multiple A5 instances for (poor-man's) *load-balancing*. Could you still run multiple instances of A5 (distinctive by port number at this point) under the Abyss url?

                Could you put php and A5 code on the same page?

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                • #9
                  Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                  This is interesting. I used Abyss several years ago for a "lite" web server @ work for capturing security camera(s) photos. (Which then instantly become synced "off-site" as they are "captured.") I've since moved to a "simpler solution." Regardless, I thought it was a pretty neat little server. ~ Seemed to be one of the best out there (for my needs) several years ago.
                  Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
                  It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
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                    Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                    Any more testing done here?
                    Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
                    It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
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                    • #11
                      Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                      Is there anyway to accomplish this without having to have a5 WAS as a sub-domain of the Abyss server, just purchased the X2 and have it working as you specify above but would really like to hide the sub-domain from the customers.
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                        Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                        Originally posted by jmsilva View Post
                        Is there anyway to accomplish this without having to have a5 WAS as a sub-domain of the Abyss server, just purchased the X2 and have it working as you specify above but would really like to hide the sub-domain from the customers.
                        This thread has nothing to do with sub domains. This thread is about using Abyss as a reverse proxy for Alpha so there is no need to create sub domains at all.

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                          Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                          1) You can buy cheap ssl to Abyss and you use this ssl to secure both Abyss and Alphas traffic.
                          This means you do not have to buy expensive wildcards ssl certificates because Abyss and Alpha now runs in same domain.
                          https://mydomain.com and https://mydomain.com/was both works and note Alpha runs in port 8080.
                          That was what I gathered from your thread, but last night managed to configure Abyss using the same root for both servers and that solved my problem. Installing Abyss as a Reverse Proxy is a great idea, but had some problems which I am working out with their support at this time.

                          For anyone else wanting to run both ports 80 and 443 with the WAS, it is doable also but you need to run 2 instances of the WAS which is very resource intensive. The footprint of the Abyss is much smaller and it has many other benefits, so hopefully they will be able solve the current issues. They have sent me a bug fix that they have not yet release, will be trying it out tonight, so wish me luck...
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                            Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                            Originally posted by jmsilva View Post
                            For anyone else wanting to run both ports 80 and 443 with the WAS, it is doable also but you need to run 2 instances of the WAS which is very resource intensive.
                            If you have configured Abyss as a reverse proxy why don't you use Abyss to ssl traffic to Was. This feature is the major difference between Abyss X1 and X2. Was runs in port (for example) 85.

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                              Re: Abyss Server X2 now has reverse proxy built in

                              The Abyss version I was running yesterday did not work correctly, already tested today with the new version and the results are very encouraging, but I am now having problems importing my private key file content, followed their directions and copy pasted from notepad, but Abyss just gives me an hour glass pointer and a message stating it is waiting for 127.0.0.1 and nothing happens. Have a customer support email to then, but they can take to 24 hours to respond.

                              The comment I wrote yesterday was simply for the benefit of others that like me that had been struggling on how to open both ports using the WAS. I do believe that the Abyss solution to the problem is much better. Specially because if you are relying on session variables like I am you get a new session every time you change from port 80 to 443 using the WAS solution alone.
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