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  • #16
    Re: Web vs. mobile

    What it shows me, assuming I am reading it correctly, is there huge gap between the presence of desk and mobile apps. It also does not show anything other than a slow growth in mobile and slow decline in desktop. I am not seeing any dramatic spikes or climbs on the mobile side. If all that is correct and the data being graphed is correct then it makes an argument for what many on the forum have been saying. The desktop is far from dead and will be with us for quite some time to come!
    Regards,

    John W.
    www.CustomReportWriters.net

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    • #17
      Re: Web vs. mobile

      Originally posted by jkwrpc View Post
      What it shows me, assuming I am reading it correctly, is there huge gap between the presence of desk and mobile apps. It also does not show anything other than a slow growth in mobile and slow decline in desktop. I am not seeing any dramatic spikes or climbs on the mobile side. If all that is correct and the data being graphed is correct then it makes an argument for what many on the forum have been saying. The desktop is far from dead and will be with us for quite some time to come!
      That's exactly how I read it.
      Peter
      AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

      [email protected]
      https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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      • #18
        Re: Web vs. mobile

        Which is nothing but logical to me!

        The hardware market has always discarded of trade-ins. So anytime you would buy the "newest and greatest" computer, you would sit there stuck with the old one. Trying to sell it through small-ads or just end up throwing it away. So most of us choose to still use it and only throw it away when you start to stumble over it twice a week. So any new computer you purchase would just be "on top of the stack" instead of replacing the old one. Furthermore, a desktop and a mobile device are simply not the same thing. They ain't going to replace one another but at best get an existence next to another. So I do not believe any increase in the sale of mobile devices (which is not limited to tablets at all) will shatter the sale of desktops in any way.

        In terms of apps, the question is whether we should get involved with that market to begin with. If you look at what is in the app stores today, and especially at what prices, you could wonder if that is going to pay for your bills? This is a typical consumer market. High volumes against low prices. I don't see that for any of my app that I have developed over the years. Do you?

        Maybe, just maybe, this is just another "hype", a soap-bell bound to collapse on you?

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        • #19
          Re: Web vs. mobile

          I recently had an interesting conversation about tablets; what came out is that these things are going to be so powerful & fast that at some point you'll use that as your only tool. When you get in the office you put it in it's cradle and you continue to use it with a keyboard,mouse and a traditional monitor. Same thing back home or some shared office space. Looking at where we are already I don't think that is just a dream.
          Frank

          Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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          • #20
            Re: Web vs. mobile

            Ummm ...

            TABLET + KEYBOARD + MOUSE = LAPTOP (If it walks like a duck …)

            “ALPHA FIVE v12” = ALPHA FIVE v11 + PINCH ZOOM, SWIPE CAPABILITY?

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            • #21
              Re: Web vs. mobile

              Until it actually comes true that however is exactly what it is. The future can develop along so many lines that there hardly is just one possible outcome. Humanity has proven on numerous occasions that it is very bad in predicting its own future. This won't be an exception. In conversations one can make almost anything true since one does not have to invest the money to get there, just talk about it. I remember back in the 1990's we would all think that starting in the year 2000 we would all fly around in saucers. We don't. Yet.

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              • #22
                Re: Web vs. mobile

                Originally posted by Clipper87 View Post
                I recently had an interesting conversation about tablets; what came out is that these things are going to be so powerful & fast that at some point you'll use that as your only tool. When you get in the office you put it in it's cradle and you continue to use it with a keyboard,mouse and a traditional monitor. Same thing back home or some shared office space. Looking at where we are already I don't think that is just a dream.
                Windows 8 RT?

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                • #23
                  Re: Web vs. mobile

                  Marcel, the lines are getting blurrier everyday! The next step from the HP laptop in my link below (if I did it correctly) is exactly what Frank describes. Flying saucers may take a little longer!

                  http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...497&s_cid=e497

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                  • #24
                    Web vs. mobile: same thing a few years from now

                    .
                    This thread is titled Web vs. mobile. Possibly in five or ten years time, if somebody ever gets to re-read this thread he might either scratch his head or simply smile.

                    The good news:
                    In ten years time, a person will always have his computing with him, walking in a mall, working at the office or watching TV at home. All he will have to do is plug/dock his a-la-USB thingamajig to the corresponding device/phone/tablet/iXXX and access all his applications and data. Part of these applications and data will be in the thingamajig and part in the cloud.

                    In twenty years time, technology will be so advanced that there will be no need for a thingamajig for you to access your applications and data.

                    In thirty years time, Singularity.


                    The bad news:
                    In forty years time ... we'll still have taxes.



                    Regards,
                    Felix
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                    Last edited by Rida Alhasan; 12-19-2012, 06:41 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Web vs. mobile

                      Should we believe some out there, we won't even be here anymore in a few days already!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Web vs. mobile

                        Felix - Very clever I am still smiling. :)

                        Marcel - you reminded me my smiling time may be very limited. :(
                        Regards,

                        John W.
                        www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                        • #27
                          Re: Web vs. mobile

                          There seems to be two different options for handling display of a web site on a handheld size screen. The first option would be to leave it up to the device as to how to display the page. The second option is to purposely design special formatting for the smaller screen size and display a customized page. The second choice seems to be the approach most preferred.

                          I experimented on my Android phone and my laptop PC. I went to the Alpha Software home website on both devices. It appears to me that Alpha Software has not designed a special "mobile" homepage. And it doesn't need it. I can browse the page just fine on my Android in the standard browser or with Opera, or Dolphin, whatever. A simple double-tap shows me the full page or a zoomed section. This website is quite readable on the small handheld screen.

                          Next, I went to eBay's home page. This time I get redirected to a specific "mobile" version. I compared this to the Laptop PC screen and can see some differences with some stuff missing on the "mobile" screen. If I select "Classic" version from the settings I go to a page that looks almost the same as on the PC but it is still redirected as a "mobile" site and is not the same as on the the PC.

                          I don't understand why I have to use a "mobile" page when my phone is quite capable of displaying the full page view in the same way as my PC. I can see the benefit of an "App" that is designed specific to a device but I do not see why I am forced to view a "mobile" website just because I am using a phone instead of my PC. It seems that the industry wants to hem us in as either "mobile" or PC. But why? My handheld is capable and for all intents and purposes it *IS* a PC. Can't I CHOOSE to use it like a PC? Or MUST I use it only in "mobile" mode? Who decides?

                          Sean

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                          • #28
                            Re: Web vs. mobile

                            Sean,

                            I don’t think it’s the industry, but individual companies that decide how their websites will be navigated. They may just be wanting to cut down on visitors bailing out when having to navigate regular-sized web pages on mobile devices.

                            I think a lot will depend on the size of the company [and its IT resources], the content of any given web site and how it will be used.

                            If it’s mainly outward-facing read-only content, you will probably see a lot of companies just using one set of webpages for all clients … mobile and PC. One reason for this is to reduce the amount of work that would otherwise be required to support and revise TWO sets of functionally-similar pages. (Obviously, the likes of eBay are quite able to handle the double IT workload and with their level of transaction volume, it would be in their best interests to optimize the user-experience!)

                            If a site is inward-facing (employees only) or is data-entry intensive with a large number of mobile users, you are more likely to see some pages specifically optimized for small-screen use.

                            Usually, employees don’t need the same level of "hand-holding" [onscreen help/instruction] that would be required by casual [external] visitors. Employees just need to be able to efficiently use the tools they are given and too much onscreen help can become a major hindrance, once employees are familiar with an application.

                            Paul
                            Last edited by Paullm; 12-25-2012, 12:23 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Web vs. mobile

                              Sean,

                              The idea with Alpha for a mobile "site" is to create web based apps contrary to native apps. Notice I'm talking about apps in the first place not sites. If for example you want to create a web based app for field technicians in Alpha then there's a lot of advantage having the look & feel of an app compared to 'normal' website. Four your own implementation you could always decide to offer the choice to users: "you appear to be using a mobile device; do you want to browse our mobile site or our standard site" using Request.UserAgent that gicves you the following info for some browsers I tested:

                              PC Win7:
                              CHROME: 127.0.0.1Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/21.0.1180.75 Safari/537.1
                              IE: 127.0.0.1Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; MALC)
                              OPERA: 127.0.0.1Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; U; en) Presto/2.10.289 Version/12.01
                              FIREFOX: 127.0.0.1Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1
                              SAFARI: 127.0.0.1Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/534.57.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1.7 Safari/534.57.2

                              Mobile:

                              Android

                              Internet browser HTC desire: Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.5; en-de; HTC_DesireS_S510e Build/GRJ90) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1
                              Firefox op Android: Mozilla/5.0 (Android; Mobile; rv:14.0) Gecko/14.0 Firefox/14.0.1


                              iPhone

                              Safari: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B179 Safari/7534.48.3

                              iPad

                              Safari: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3



                              Edit: check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVdl...em-uploademail in which Selwyn explains why using mobile style versions of check boxes & radio butttons (because they are just to small to easily being used on a mobile device)
                              Last edited by Clipper87; 12-26-2012, 10:41 AM.
                              Frank

                              Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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