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    IIS Beta

    I think having AA run in IIS is a huge step for Alpha. I am excited to see it is going through the process to be released. I looked at the graphic and perhaps someone could clear up some confusion. It shows IIS talking to an App Server is this WAS? I thought IIS would be in lieu of WAS. Also, I hope the IIS module will be able to be deployed on shared hosting sites and not need a VPS.

    Congrats to Alpha for moving this forward.
    Regards,

    John W.
    www.CustomReportWriters.net

    #2
    Re: IIS Beta

    *disclaimer: I'm not an expert on this, but I think I understand it conceptually
    There's a video presentation somewhere from a couple of years ago, but it essentially moves the WAS to function as a plugin for IIS rather than handling all calls. If a page has an .a5w extension, it will still have to be processed by the Alpha Five WAS. This is how other code pages work too--a .php page is run through a php plugin under an IIS server.

    So it actually doesn't do a whole lot for efficiency for a5w pages, components, etc, but it does allow a developer to develop a site that utilizes IIS efficiency for non-a5w pages. It also allows an Alpha Five application to share session variables and such with applications in other languages running under the same IIS.

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      #3
      Re: IIS Beta

      Where did you get the info John?
      I seem to be off the AS radar re new announcements.
      So IIS and WAS?
      And I thought IIS with SQL2012 was a challenging option!
      Now all we need is a kitchen sink.
      See our Hybrid Option here;
      https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


      Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
      You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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        #4
        Re: IIS Beta

        Here is a link:

        http://alphasoftware.net/beta-announ...erver-for-iis/
        Bill Griffin
        Parkell, Inc

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          #5
          Re: IIS Beta

          Thanks Bill.
          So is a WAS a requirement still?
          See our Hybrid Option here;
          https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


          Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
          You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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            #6
            Re: IIS Beta

            Not sure if it is a new product or using the existing WAS. they are calling it "Alpha Anywhere Application Server for IIS". I'm guessing it will be a new product, but that is just speculation.
            Bill Griffin
            Parkell, Inc

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              #7
              Re: IIS Beta

              Lenny has said that the WAS will go away.
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

              [email protected]
              https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                #8
                Re: IIS Beta

                This could be very valuable, I'm hoping it will make an Http context available to AA applications. I tried to find out from the link but couldn't figure it out (my head hurts :) ).

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                  #9
                  Re: IIS Beta

                  With competitive pricing and no was, this could be a winner!
                  Breathing in!
                  See our Hybrid Option here;
                  https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                  Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                  You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                    #10
                    Re: IIS Beta

                    Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                    Lenny has said that the WAS will go away.
                    Actually I've said the WAS went away with V7 or 8. What you are referring to as WAS is the Alpha Five Application Server. The W was very intentionally dropped. But I'm not pointing this out to pick on anyone for using a different acronym, instead it helps explain what you do and don't need, and why.

                    For any web application, you need a web server. This handles the HTTP protocol for communications between client and server. You additionally need an application server for executing application code. The Alpha Five Application Server is but one of many application server choices, and is of course the one we think is best.

                    In versions 6-12, what you have been using are 2 different pieces - an Xbasic Web Server and the Alpha Five Application Server - but they have been wrapped tightly together as a single product.

                    The Alpha Anywhere Application Server for IIS provides just the application server functionality. It allows IIS to replace the Xbasic Web Server so that you do not need to run an Alpha executable to handle HTTP, run as a windows service, or anything else. The Alpha Anywhere Application Server for IIS plugs into IIS to allow for processing of your components and A5W pages. With it, IIS is configured to be made aware of the Alpha Anywhere Application Server for IIS, but there is no additional program or server process that you must run. As Chris said in post #2, this is how PHP and other pages are executed under IIS (including even ASP.Net).

                    But what I think Peter was referring to is that I have said eventually the Xbasic Web Server will go away. The longer-term goal is to replace it (most likely with IIS Express) in the Alpha Anywhere development environment for Live Preview dev/test purposes, and use IIS exclusively for all production deployments.
                    Last edited by Lenny Forziati; 04-30-2014, 02:51 PM.

                    Lenny Forziati
                    Vice President, Internet Products and Technical Services
                    Alpha Software Corporation

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                      #11
                      Re: IIS Beta

                      As always Lenny brings clarity to obscurity. Thank you, Lenny.
                      Peter
                      AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                      [email protected]
                      https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                        #12
                        Re: IIS Beta

                        Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                        As always Lenny brings clarity to obscurity. Thank you, Lenny.
                        Agreed, Thanks Lenny, very clear.

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                          #13
                          Re: IIS Beta

                          Hi all,

                          Thanks for an informative thread. I have a few more questions.

                          What are the implications for scaling? Will the Alpha App Server for IIS still have the same performance and be limited to a single CPU? How could load balancing be applied to the Alpha App Server for IIS?

                          Cheers
                          Peter

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                            #14
                            Re: IIS Beta

                            Good question.
                            The native IIS LB would presumably work on its own, but the WAS (or AFAS) bit might be an issue.
                            See our Hybrid Option here;
                            https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                            Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                            You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                              #15
                              Re: IIS Beta

                              Not sure what the implications [ to early to tell i think this is just the first public beta ] are but if you read the documentation well you see there is something about ASP.NET session state in the IIS config that is the basic to run IIS in a webfarm. But i see this a big step forward for business enterprise management web and mobile applications.

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