Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & more

[iRadiate]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Recently I find myself thinking..... 'Just STOP, Alpha, save any new stuff for V12, and get what you already have in V11 ironed out. V11 already has everything I, and probably many, need.'

Carol, I agree with this statement 100%.

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Jerry, I just sent in a bug report about the session variable issue. Thanks for looking into it.

[peteconway]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Carol, I feel the same on this, it was good of you to send that report - I just find it crushing after years of bug reports, 2 steps forward, 8 back , now to dead-stop, I doubt there is a test-bed, else the releases would be more robust.

[pettechservices]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

My biggest issue with all the bugs is that as a NEW developer to A5, I'm often confused as to what is a bug, and what is design. Very confusing when trying to learn something.

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

I hear you on that, Chris. You're welcome, Pete. I'm still hanging in there.... I am so completely aware that Alpha IS creating tools that a novice web app developer like me needs.... but those bugs can sure make me feel cranky. My customers ask me when I'll have all of the CHS app migrated to the web, and I just have to tell them... 'I have no idea.' I feel semi bad whining when I know Alpha is working so hard, but I think they should be reminded that their bugs impact our businesses, our livelihoods, and our reputations, and so naturally we get cranky. It could be that all would be less cranky if Alpha were to give a lot more appreciation to their customers for their diligence and willingness to do this beta testing stuff.

[peteconway]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

The Beta-Testing should be a closed group of experienced people - own forum, and not available to those less experienced as they come to grief, you are more than welcome to contact me as you strike issues and I'll work with you on solutions no charge to get you over the line, I like what your are developing Carol and how you go about it, the honesty and the vigour in your video's is easy to see. Contact me directly.

[Peter.Greulich]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

My biggest issue with all the bugs is that as a NEW developer to A5, I'm often confused as to what is a bug, and what is design. Very confusing when trying to learn something.

Without getting into the whole issue of Alpha's beta releases or pre-releases, as a new user you might want to stick with official builds. If you're on the cutting edge then you are also on the bleeding edge - take your chances. That said I agree with Carol's & Pete's statements here. And, yes, it's hard to resist the great new feature sets as they are being released.

[christappan]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

So my two cents here--I've complained plenty about Alpha patches breaking things in the past. Legitimate release patches that the Alpha Five Developer linked me to and told me to update and then broke something in my application. The patch page that the developer software currently opens says "The current Alpha Five Version 11 build is 2549_3903 (released on 27 MAR 2012 08:27 AM)". Now I'm not going to tell you there weren't any bugs in that release--I'm sure there were.

But now we're talking about PRE-release builds that you literally have to go to a completely separate webpage to get, that Alpha has compared to the nightly builds of Firefox and has explicitly said that they were not ready for release. The page you open to get them says "This is not an official patch, so you should not deploy this update to a production environment."

I'm quite pleased with recent introduction of the pre-release line of patches with v11, because I know that some people are out there testing them, and I can test them myself knowing quite well that there are likely bugs remaining because Alpha hasn't yet released it as a patch. I know too that when my Developer application tells me there is a new release candidate, it's already been tested to some degree with the pre-releases. I agree Alpha should be testing things internally, but everyone here knows that your application users are going to find bugs you didn't anticipate as the developer. Hence the pre-releases, where actual users can find things your testers didn't before you release it.

If you want to use the pre-release patches, by all means do, but it seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that Alpha has somehow faulted you, and ridiculous that Alpha should immediately fix all the bugs but you're too busy dealing with the pre-release bugs to report the bugs back to Alpha so they can work on fixing them.

Thanks to Carol and those others who are reporting bugs in the pre-releases, and here's to all of us having some patience and willpower not to immediately grab the next new shiny thinking it's going to be the one that makes it all better. :)

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Actually, Peter, I haven't had much need for the feature packs. The reason I end up going to get a pre-release is because there is a bug that has been fixed, and which is critical to me. I had been sticking with a March official release and waiting for the next official one to come out which would have a 'fix' in it I needed, but gave up waiting for the next official release... When I told Selwyn I was waiting for the next official release for a certain bug fix, he said I SHOULD be going and trying the pre-releases so I could find any other bugs...... hmmmmm, not sure how I feel about that at this moment.

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Good words, Chris. I'm going back to my attitude that somehow we are all partners in this and will end up with awesome products.

TODAY, it turns out that I am going to spend my entire day combing through all of my many, many grids and replacing all e.session occurrances with just session and all my e.rv with request.variables . (of which I probably have a few thousand occurances now) This is a suggestion I received from Alpha this morning because it turns out the e.session and e.rv used to set session variables 'MAY not work in the future'. Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol....

[Peter.Greulich]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

TODAY, it turns out that I am going to spend my entire day combing through all of my many, many grids and replacing all e.session occurrances with just session and all my e.rv with request.variables . (of which I probably have a few thousand occurances now) This is a suggestion I received from Alpha this morning because it turns out the e.session and e.rv used to set session variables 'MAY not work in the future'. Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol, Smile, Carol....

That's what you call sticking your neck out, Carol. If you are really going to do that won't all your e stuff no longer work? If I were you I would wait until such time a clear path has been revealed to all.

[peteconway]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is right!. Also sorry about the typo's in the off-line message, having some Shiraz at the moment - been a looooooong day.

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

hmmm, Peter, you may be right... a dilemna... maybe I should just decide that if e.session MAY not work in the future as they said, that Alpha will be responsible enough to do something that won't suddenly hammer everybody's e.session stuff for real. (behind the scenes conversion of some sort?) I guess I'll just get on with what I originally planned to do today... uh.... what WAS that I thought I'd do before getting all side tracked into these bugs for the past several days? :)

[iRadiate]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm is right!. Also sorry about the typo's in the off-line message, having some Shiraz at the moment - been a looooooong day.

Mmm, nothing like a good Aussie Shiraz, I must say :)

[kingcarol]

Re: Heads Up- prerelease3921-trouble with edit combo lookups with dynamic filter & mo

As I said, Pete, I liked your typo of 'Goof Luck' for 'Good Luck'. seems appropriate..