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    #31
    Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

    Anyone have experience with Code On time?

    bob
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      #32
      Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

      Originally posted by 2ninerniner2 View Post
      John - that is what the 499.00 Web App Server is! All you need! Slap it on "anything" on your network and you are good to go as "localhost" :) If you are using MySQL (which I am) then go and get the FREE Uniform Server - a VERY nice WAMP (Windows Apache MySQL PHP)"stack". I've got my local network set up on a Win 7 Home Premium Lenovo laptop ... handles things just fine for the 4 additional computers on the network :)
      Is that a 499 server for every 99.00 app I will sell to sales people???
      Dave Mason
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        #33
        Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

        Originally posted by bobalston View Post
        @DaveM

        I would be interested in knowing which development environments you looked at and what deficiencies relative to A5 you found. I previously looked at and was pretty impressed by IronSpeed and PHPRunner, among various others I looked at. to me, A5 was the most "Access like".

        bob
        As soon as I get them sorted out, I will say a lot more.
        Dave Mason
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          #34
          Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

          I looked at Code On Time since I had never heard of it. When I looked at the demos it struck me how similar it was to a SharePoint module called TeamSpace. I used TeamSpace quite effectively for a small intranet like application for several years. This is so close to the SharePoint TeamSpace module that if that is not what it is, it must be its brother. I think the most recent versions of SharePoint have deprecated TeamSpace but I would not be surprised to see it operating in new name or extended to include the internet.

          For what its worth Team Space was traditional SharePoint built arounf lists and views. Data was not stored in a database, though it was possible to connect to MS Access or SQL Server. Generally data was stored as text and documents. My recollection is a bit fuzzy but I don't recall it being a true relational system though with Access or SQL Server that would not be true.

          Such is my best guess about what is Code On Time.
          Regards,

          John W.
          www.CustomReportWriters.net

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            #35
            Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

            Originally posted by DaveM View Post
            Is that a 499 server for every 99.00 app I will sell to sales people???
            Using your example on your site's "Best Setup" page, the $499.00 WAS (Web App Server) would go on the "Main Server" and that's it :) The seven other computers would access your database (now being hosted on the "Main Server") using any modern web browser. No need to install anything on the other seven systems. You could still charge the 99.00 per "seat" for access to it; all sorts of ways to keep track of/throttle the access.

            The beauty of this method is with updates to your app. Say you have developed a "new and improved" function for your app. With the web version, all you do is publish the changes to the WAS and now all seven users instantly have the "new and improved" feature! :-)
            Cheers!
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              #36
              Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

              By the way, 18 payments of 99.99 a month at a sale price of 1499 = 22.8400 apr.

              Lyle, I have a large number of salesmen out there at 99.00 that do not use a server. They use it for their own work, not as a corporation. See Below:

              UpsLog Salesperson Standalone
              Download for personal use on one computer. You could use the Workstation on a second computer for remote access. Up to 2 concurrent users allowed. Price is negotiable as I am a sales person also. You could also later use this as a server with upgrade to the full version.

              I also sell a veteran's Diabetc records db for $0.00. Hmm...... that would mean I would give up 500.00 for something I do for my fellow veterans.

              I do not think your math is good for me!

              See Here: www.veterandiabetes.com - the file is not on there yet, so no download today.
              Last edited by DaveM; 05-30-2012, 06:42 PM.
              Dave Mason
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                #37
                Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                If my earlier comments came off indicating that we have lost interest in serving our desktop customers, then I apologize. It is simply not the case.

                Yes there is growth on the web and mobile side but we do recognize that many developers want to continue building web apps. To support this comment by me, look at the what's new in v11 section http://wiki.alphasoftware.com/What%2...+in+Version+11 . You will see there are substantial desktop improvements!
                Richard Rabins
                Co Chairman
                Alpha Software

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                  #38
                  Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                  Thank you Richard,

                  I put it in my favorites and will look tomorrow. Getting late here.
                  Dave Mason
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                    #39
                    Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                    Originally posted by Richard Rabins View Post
                    Yes there is growth on the web and mobile side but we do recognize that many developers want to continue building web apps. !
                    Hhmmm...??
                    Peter
                    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                      #40
                      Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                      Hhmmmm +1
                      Possibly a Freudian slip?
                      I expect Richard has gotten the message now that there is an element of dissatisfaction rumbling around.

                      This all comes down to economies of scale.
                      A single user or small business of say 5 people in a close(ish) locality can work efficiently using a LAN and Desktop.

                      Those with the need for a larger distributed network will need to either pay for the infrastructure or go for the WAS approach. The latter is cheaper I venture to suggest.
                      However, there are more small businesses than large ones, and the larger ones tend to have their own IT services dept.

                      Now I haven't a clue where the break point is between large and small businesses (to use my over simplistic example).
                      What I do know is that small business will have heard of Microsoft, Office, Word and Excel. It is relatively easy to explain that an Alpha app can be bought and used and supported at a very attractive price.
                      Larger businesses tend to take the view that M/soft is a bit like IBM "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM!", as the advert went. They also hire people with M/soft skills like SQL/Sharepoint/Forms/ASP etc because that is what their large accounting and planning systems are. These skills are what people are trained to do.

                      We did an audit of 3000 souls/PC's in one gvmt. dept, and there were 14,000 Access databases with Micky Mouse front ends that had been developed, and most left hanging in the breeze.

                      So, Richard, how are we going to overcome the feebies that M/soft kill the market with? Where is the showcase for entry level applications to get a foot in the door?

                      One of my early jobs was stacking shelves. The idea was to sell volume, not high prices. I learned early on that it is better to sell 100 an make a penny each, than 1 and make a dollar. I will have had around 100 customers as opposed to just 1, and think of all the other things they would look at and possibly buy!

                      But then you have a marketing dept with all their "ideas" to manage, so as well as not replying to emails, I doubt that they would go for something radical.
                      See our Hybrid Option here;
                      https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                      Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                      You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                        #41
                        Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                        One of the main ideas in marketing and sales is this:

                        A great deal is a matter of perception, not necessarily reality.

                        thought out: If you are happy with the deal you made - it is great - no matter if you paid 10 times what others paid.
                        Dave Mason
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                          #42
                          Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                          Ironspeed is out for me due to the cost and it has to run only on MS stuff.
                          Dave Mason
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                            #43
                            Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                            It's still a Beta product. The Vendor is 4D, check the regulair prices. No business comanpy can deliver free wait for the offical launch.
                            Last edited by bea2701; 06-03-2012, 03:36 PM.

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                              #44
                              Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                              I think that winbdows 8 may put a big hurt on desktop development

                              My job with alpha is probably done on the web due to the was. I will maintain my current desktop apps for 1 or more upgrades as long as it is not too much. I have decided on a solution that will entail both web and desktop without a was. Fairly simple tools, but I know it is not for everyone and it is not free either.
                              Dave Mason
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                              Skype is dave.mason46

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                                #45
                                Re: Latest Alpha Five Sales Model Opinions

                                @DaveM

                                Just curious if your decided solution will provide similar productivity as A5 or Access? If so I for one would like to know what it is.

                                Bob
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