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    #16
    Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

    Hi Keith,

    Tried your suggestion but made no difference.

    Paul

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      #17
      Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

      Must be your installation then Paul. There are no gaps when I run the database content you sent back with the additional fields.
      I added more myself and hid every other one so there was no contiguity influence.

      If you have loaded V11 after you loaded V10 and upgraded to V10.5, you should probably reload V10 and the patches.
      I had trouble after loading V11 on trial.
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        #18
        Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

        Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
        Must be your installation then Paul. There are no gaps when I run the database content you sent back with the additional fields.
        I added more myself and hid every other one so there was no contiguity influence.

        If you have loaded V11 after you loaded V10 and upgraded to V10.5, you should probably reload V10 and the patches.
        I had trouble after loading V11 on trial.
        Hi Ted, please understand, I am not a fledgling developer, so if your version works OK then I suspect that the problem lies with Alpha...

        I am amazed...

        Are you saying that Alpha permitted a release that introduced a major blip/bug between V10 and V11?

        I can't believe it...

        Please outline your thoughts here as I think I may have misunderstood your results...
        I am using MS XP SP3 on one machine and Windows 7 latest release on the other V11 PC...

        I don't believe that I have ever installed V10 on any of my machines...

        Thanks for getting back to me,

        Paul

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          #19
          Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

          You said you were developing in 10.5 and 11 so I assumed that you had both on one PC.
          I tested on Win 7 64. With 10.5.
          How many updates to V11 have you had now?
          I'll do a screencast tomorrow.
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            #20
            Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

            Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
            You said you were developing in 10.5 and 11 so I assumed that you had both on one PC.
            I tested on Win 7 64. With 10.5.
            How many updates to V11 have you had now?
            I'll do a screencast tomorrow.
            Sorry Ted,

            I did and do not intend to offend you or your responses to questions posted here by Alpha converts,whether justified or not...

            I can tell that you love the product and in my opinion in the main for for good robust basic functionality reasons...

            However, having spent a fortune (no joke) in swallowing the hype and frangranced announcements from Alpha,
            I am now left with a portfolio of converted and legacy applications that I should be unleashing upon the masses but CANNOT.

            Why?

            Because the ??????? software works as Selwyn and co. deem it should... i.e. no looking back, especially where known limitations/unfinished business re.the desktop version may be concerned...

            I am so annoyed with Alpha - If I could I would determine if it was possible to sue them in every court in the world.
            As it is I suspect I would have to declare bankruptcy to get back the thousands of pounds I have wasted...
            Last edited by pulsoft; 05-21-2012, 05:37 AM. Reason: typos in anger

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              #21
              Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

              Originally posted by Ted Giles View Post
              You said you were developing in 10.5 and 11 so I assumed that you had both on one PC.
              I tested on Win 7 64. With 10.5.
              How many updates to V11 have you had now?
              I'll do a screencast tomorrow.
              Excuse my earler outburst - I meant to convey - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
              or something close to that...

              Richard and Selwyn please do not delete these posts - you have to face up to your organisations faults - sooner or later...

              Paul

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                #22
                Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                I just tried with W7 64 in V11 - works perfectly
                I changed the "show" field on the form to a check box to make it eaiser to make the change and watch - changed sever times - successfully - no gap

                also, tried in V10 - same - works perfectly - no gaps
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                  #23
                  Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                  Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
                  I just tried with W7 64 in V11 - works perfectly
                  I changed the "show" field on the form to a check box to make it eaiser to make the change and watch - changed sever times - successfully - no gap

                  also, tried in V10 - same - works perfectly - no gaps
                  Having read the above response: Possibly it's a windows setting [or even a third party piece of software]somehow causing this that a5 doesn't "expect" when displaying the browse?...... (scaling etc.) I occasionally experience some strange display behavior on this notebook, (with a5 and other programs) simply as a result of using 125% sized fonts to compensate for the 1920 x 1200 15.4in. native screen resolution.

                  Originally posted by pulsoft View Post
                  Excuse my earler outburst - I meant to convey - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
                  or something close to that...

                  Richard and Selwyn please do not delete these posts - you have to face up to your organisations faults - sooner or later...

                  Paul
                  Believe me, [while I "enjoy" the product] I cannot defend Alpha with regards to bugs & QC. v11 Desktop has numerous "issues." (When I'm learning Xbasic coding techniques and trying new things, I seem to uncover, document & report problems almost daily.) ~ If someone in Alpha sat down and decided to actually code desktop applications from scratch using their own tool, they would run into all sorts of "surprises!" ~ The one positive thing I can say here is: When & if someone finds, documents and reports bugs, they usually get resolved quickly..... (Although several bugs that were supposedly fixed in v.10x have reappeared in v.11, like some of the "debugger bugs.")

                  And while they haven't "given up on the desktop completely", most of Alpha's efforts are now focused on web. This is a shame as a few months dedicated to "housecleaning" [on the desktop side] would benefit their core product immensely.

                  As for desktop development in a5, my opinion is: If you can properly design the database & present it on the screen with an effective layout.... You'll be OK, providing you also know [and are able to apply] the fundamentals of Xbasic, [on an intermediate level] to these layouts. If not, you may find yourself "playing Russian-Roulette."
                  Last edited by SNusa; 05-20-2012, 12:15 AM.
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                  It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
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                    #24
                    Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                    Just a few more comments, Paul.
                    I have skin so thick you could make horseshoes out of it (no pun intended) and I am actually un-upsettable and never offended.
                    I really think that the issue is being caused by your installation.
                    This is what I have noticed and why I suggested reinstalling V10.5

                    I let V11 install itself where it suggested.
                    Now as you may know, Win 7 allows duplicate file names. I am happy to believe that Win7 will select the correct file to run, but I found that when the Alpha folders were in the same prog. folder, I had issues.
                    I, and several othres now place the Alpha Dev and Runtime outside of the Prog folders. Since doing that and reinstalling, I have not had any problems.

                    So, whether V11 caused what I suspect is a conflict by registering a dll which overwrote a V10 one, or Win7 picked up the wrong dll to run, I haven't a clue.

                    My system seems to be pretty stable now and I am unable to replicate what you are experiencing, as is Martin.
                    If you want to send the table and browse to my business e-mail (below my signature), I'll try it on this PC and report back.

                    You sound a bit like you are on the edge Paul, and that's not a good place to be. If I can help at all, I will, but beware, I use Alpha the way it was sold to me 20 years ago - little or no coding. (Unless I have to).
                    See our Hybrid Option here;
                    https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                    Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                    You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                      #25
                      Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                      There is something going on here and I suspect it may be video driver related. Attached are two screenshots from the sample db that was uploaded. The first shows all fields showing and you can clearly see a single line between each column.

                      The second image shows the columns hidden and it looks as though there is a thicker line where the hidden columns would have been. In otherwords each column line is showing stacked against each other. This is using A5v11 and on a windows 7 64bit pc.

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                        #26
                        Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                        Instead of using the font at 125% - change your resolution from 1900 to maybe 1152 by 864
                        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                          #27
                          Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                          Thanks for your wise words Robert.
                          If it is a windows setting I wouldn't know where to start. I have tried it in V10.5 on a Windows XP SP3 PC and get the gaps and I have tried it under the latest V11 on a brand new W7 64 bit PC with the same results. I don't believe that the display properties are particularly unusual. On the W7 PC I have resized the desktop icons using the mouse scroll key possibly this is a contributing factor but it wouldn't explain the XP problems.
                          Even if it is a windows setting issue shouldn't Alpha allow for this type of display problem?
                          Thanks again,

                          Paul

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                            #28
                            Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                            I have noticed that an embedded browse row height may display differently on a clients machine than mine, as well as (for example) HTML Dialogs heights.

                            If I were you, I would at least try changing the screen resolution and font size, especially since your experience does not match that of others with the same ADB.
                            Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                              #29
                              Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                              I had a very similar issue in v8 with the column divider lines....it was an easy fix as I was told that they simply forgot to eliminate these when a column width was set to 0.....and was fixed for the very next build....and then broken the successive build and never fixed. Apparently not a high priority then as I must have been the only one having issues with it (lost out on 2 sales of the mini-app as it looked just too unprofessional they said ). If this is the same basic issue, perhaps now that others have the problem a resolution will be forthcoming (my v10 build 3712 btw does NOT have this problem with my application). But as some have the issue and others do not, definitely this aspect must be looked into prior to submitting it as a bug.
                              Last edited by MikeC; 05-22-2012, 04:45 PM.
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                                #30
                                Re: How to hide columns in a browse elegantly...

                                Hi Mike,

                                "I had a very similar issue in v8 with the column divider lines....it was an easy fix as I was told that they simply forgot to eliminate these when a column width was set to 0.....and was fixed for the very next build....and then broken the successive build and never fixed. Apparently not a high priority then as I must have been the only one having issues with it (lost out on 2 sales of the mini-app as it looked just too unprofessional they said ). If this this is the same basic issue, perhaps now that others have the problem a resolution will be forthcoming (my v10 build 3712 btw does NOT have this problem with my application). But as some have the issue and others do not, definitely this aspect must be looked into prior to submitting it as a bug."

                                As far as I am concerned, all of my personal computers conform to basic expectations of MS Windows applications.
                                Therefore, in my world they are worthy of "Alpha V10.5 or V11 baptism...
                                What I see from your input is that this was a known issue and apparently addressed then but subsequently considered or not considered - Who knows?
                                The fact is that it requires resolving...
                                Being able to hide a column is the right of every respectable developer...

                                Over the next day or so, I am going to send Alpha a representative zipped application of the offending issue and ask them to demonstrate that I am wrong...
                                Last edited by pulsoft; 05-23-2012, 02:35 AM. Reason: Strong medication involved...

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