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    #31
    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

    I did a little poking around on .NET slow loads and it's a common problem and I think that's what we're seeing. Apparently there's JIT compiling going on and that's a time burner. Then once it's resident things will be fast for about 20 minutes and then will reinitiate that JIT compile again. That's assuming it has not been touched. If you keep loading and closing within that window it's fine. Or at least that's my experience. Now, once you are in the application, there are silly things that again can slow you down. Like drop-down lists (local--not tables). But after you do it once, they're fast after that. This is very confusing.

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      #32
      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

      It loads faster on the 2nd and subsequent uses (afrer a reboot) using the computer's cache - has nothing to do with Alpha or .net. This is true for all programs. Also, the more cache the better. If they do not turn off the computer at night, the cache is maintained.
      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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        #33
        Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

        Jerry, I have this exact same problem. In fact, the problem exists whenever I'm doing another table look up or even drop down. I've researched this and it still daunts me. And haunts me, BTW. A5V5 was soooo snappy. This V11 is a bit embarrassing. I am running on a network that I don't have much control over so I don't have any idea how I would trouble shoot that. Does .NET have to be pushed from somewhere other than my desktop machine? It just seems as though A5V11 is not handling the network very well.

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          #34
          Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

          V11 has a much much bigger footprint than v5, as well as different compilers - many many more functions, methods, and xdialog stuff as well as app server stuff - I think it is presumed that if you have V11 you have a new, fast computer, with a gigabit network card on all workstations and a gigibit network card on the server and a gigabit switch, etc.
          Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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            #35
            Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

            Jeff, I'm resurecting this thread because my A5V11 desktop--NO APPS!--can take up to two minutes to load the first time. There's something broken here that it would take that long to load. Did you ever come up with a solution for this problem?

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              #36
              Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

              BTW, after the first load A5V11 comes up instantaneously. But the first load after being off for a couple of days is taking minutes. And all you get is a grey screen with a title Alpha Five (Not Responding).
              Very odd indeed.

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                #37
                Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                Originally posted by Dennis Mathias View Post
                Jeff, I'm resurecting this thread because my A5V11 desktop--NO APPS!--can take up to two minutes to load the first time. There's something broken here that it would take that long to load. Did you ever come up with a solution for this problem?
                It's been a while since I looked at this issue. I don't remember if I improved V11 by doing something special. I only have V10 running in a production environment and there are no issues with speed. I never tried V11 in the same environment, so I can't be very much help on this. Sorry.

                Jeff

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                  #38
                  Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                  Nobody has mentioned their settings for A5 in preferences. Is background checking on or off for example?
                  Robin

                  Discernment is not needed in things that differ, but in those things that appear to be the same. - Miles Sanford

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                    #39
                    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                    Background Checking..don't recall that. Would that be true of the runtime stations as well as developer? Does setting it change all clients? I'll look at that tomorrow. I don't know what backround task it would be checking..but maybe there's something going on there.
                    MartinWCole..I'm talking upwards of two minutes here just to get to the menu. I run autocad (a hog) as well as MS Office--often at the same time and they are instant (well, okay, a few seconds) load time. Not only that but there is NO indication A5 is even loading causing many users to shut it down in the task manager as a hung process. We're running i7s with Windows 7 and scads of memory 1Gb cards, full CAT cable into 1 GHZ routers, SP2 on some really healthy Dell Servers. Nah, it's something to do with A5--and it'll be something overlooked. I don't think I'm the ONLY one but maybe there aren't many. Like to get my finger on the problem though.

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                      #40
                      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                      Let's have a vote. How many of you think that just A5V11 runtime (not your app) should load in 10 seconds or less.

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                        #41
                        Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                        jst opened v11 and v12 on my desktop - no apps - opened after about 4 seconds - there is definitely something not right on your system - it is not Alpha, it sounds like anti virus or something like that
                        Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                          #42
                          Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                          Mine loads in around 3 secs.
                          I'm using SSD
                          See our Hybrid Option here;
                          https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                          Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                          You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                            #43
                            Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                            reboot your computers and try it again.
                            Andrew

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                              #44
                              Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                              mine was after a reboot on W7 64
                              Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
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                                #45
                                Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                                I don't have runtime and I am on trial. load was 12 seconds first time and 3 seconds on a second time. winxp3 32 and a very fast system.

                                May try it again on win7 later. I know it is faster in win8

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