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    #46
    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

    What size swap area have you?
    See our Hybrid Option here;
    https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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      #47
      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

      I don't know how to ascertain that..or what it should be. How do I do that?

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        #48
        Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

        Be careful with this.

        Swap is, in short, virtual RAM. With swap, a small portion of the hard drive is set aside and used like RAM. The computer will attempt to keep as much information as possible in RAM until the RAM is full. At that point, the computer will begin moving inactive blocks of memory (called pages) to the hard disk, freeing up RAM for active processes. If one of the pages on the hard disk needs to be accessed again, it will be moved back into RAM, and a different inactive page in RAM will be moved onto the hard disk ('swapped'). The trade off is disks and SD cards are considerably slower than physical RAM, so when something needs to be swapped, there is a noticeable performance hit.

        http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/w...virtual-memory
        See our Hybrid Option here;
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          #49
          Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

          I recall something about that. But if it slows things down, why do it? Seems like it's a space saver but not a speed changer. This would imply I should REDUCE the size of the swap cache? I assume this is happening on the client side. I wish there was a way I could tell A5V11 to NOT allow unloading. I have scads of space. But not much 'time' if you know what I mean. And almost everyone has at least 8GB of ram. Why can't it reside there and then write to the disk if it needs to. Surely the code is not THAT big.

          And, it seems odd that running some biggies like Autocad, Office (all elements), that they load nearly instantaneously. There is concern also that the only window you get is a gray screen with (Alpha Five, Not Responding) at the top. So what are my clients supposed to think. They shut it down (task mgr) and try loading it again. Eventually they call me and I tell them for the 20th time to be patient. If there was some sort of activity on that screen..a blue line or something--even that would be an improvement. It's aggravating since once the main element loads, the app is sweet. I need feedback from the app.

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            #50
            Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

            Today after a rebooting A5v11 took 9 secs to open. Shut down A5v11 and reopened several times and it took 2-3 secs.
            Andrew

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              #51
              Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

              Andrew Schone, was this over a network, local?

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                #52
                Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                Dennis, except in cases using terminal server the Alpha Five program files should always be opened locally, right?

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                  #53
                  Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                  Tom, you might have your finger on the problem.
                  Dennis, can you let us know where the version of Alpha you are having problems with actually resides?
                  If it is on your PC, it should load as described sbove.
                  If the version you are using is on the network server, it all has to be downloaded. That will slow you up.

                  Are you using RunTime for the users with Network Optimisation?
                  See our Hybrid Option here;
                  https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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                    #54
                    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                    Net 4.0 or no, it's taking A5V11 over sixty seconds to load over a network.
                    Is A5V11 installed on each machine? This statement sounds like A5V11 is loaded on a server.

                    We're running A5V11 runtimes, build 3489_4119, shadowed applications on a variety of machines using Win XP, Win 7 and Win 8. The XP machines load a little slower, but not by much. Maybe 15 seconds slower. This is on older cheap Dell machines with 2 gig of ram. Some are close to 10 years old, Dimension 2400's etc.... We're using a desktop shortcut with a splash screen to load A5V11 and to call up the application.

                    The network has been updated to gigabit throughout.

                    As to the .net issue, in my experience, .net doesn't slow down the loading of A5V11. What I have seen is that from our main menu, selecting one of the choices right after loading A5V11, there is a delay before one particular form is loaded. The toolbar loads right away. This only happens on the winXP machines.

                    I have noticed the not responding message occasionally. It appears to be random and I've only see this on the Win 7 and Win 8 machines. I suspect that this has something to do with the network and getting data from the server.
                    Alpha 5 Version 11
                    AA Build 2999, Build 4269, Current Build
                    DBF's and MySql
                    Desktop, Web on the Desktop and WEB

                    Ron Anusiewicz

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                      #55
                      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                      Originally posted by Dennis Mathias View Post
                      Andrew Schone, was this over a network, local?
                      I have A5v11 installed on the local disk. The timing I used was from icon click until the prompt to select the Database/Workspace displayed.

                      .Net is the cause of the difference in first start of 9 secs to subsequent starts of 2-3 secs. .Net is not initially loaded after a reboot of the computer. Thus a longer delay in start up. Once .Net is loaded into memory it stays resident until shutdown. Hence the 2-3 secs start up times.
                      Andrew

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