Alpha Software Mobile Development Tools:   Alpha Anywhere    |   Alpha TransForm subscribe to our YouTube Channel  Follow Us on LinkedIn  Follow Us on Twitter  Follow Us on Facebook

Announcement

Collapse

The Alpha Software Forum Participation Guidelines

The Alpha Software Forum is a free forum created for Alpha Software Developer Community to ask for help, exchange ideas, and share solutions. Alpha Software strives to create an environment where all members of the community can feel safe to participate. In order to ensure the Alpha Software Forum is a place where all feel welcome, forum participants are expected to behave as follows:
  • Be professional in your conduct
  • Be kind to others
  • Be constructive when giving feedback
  • Be open to new ideas and suggestions
  • Stay on topic


Be sure all comments and threads you post are respectful. Posts that contain any of the following content will be considered a violation of your agreement as a member of the Alpha Software Forum Community and will be moderated:
  • Spam.
  • Vulgar language.
  • Quotes from private conversations without permission, including pricing and other sales related discussions.
  • Personal attacks, insults, or subtle put-downs.
  • Harassment, bullying, threatening, mocking, shaming, or deriding anyone.
  • Sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, or otherwise discriminatory jokes and language.
  • Sexually explicit or violent material, links, or language.
  • Pirated, hacked, or copyright-infringing material.
  • Encouraging of others to engage in the above behaviors.


If a thread or post is found to contain any of the content outlined above, a moderator may choose to take one of the following actions:
  • Remove the Post or Thread - the content is removed from the forum.
  • Place the User in Moderation - all posts and new threads must be approved by a moderator before they are posted.
  • Temporarily Ban the User - user is banned from forum for a period of time.
  • Permanently Ban the User - user is permanently banned from the forum.


Moderators may also rename posts and threads if they are too generic or do not property reflect the content.

Moderators may move threads if they have been posted in the incorrect forum.

Threads/Posts questioning specific moderator decisions or actions (such as "why was a user banned?") are not allowed and will be removed.

The owners of Alpha Software Corporation (Forum Owner) reserve the right to remove, edit, move, or close any thread for any reason; or ban any forum member without notice, reason, or explanation.

Community members are encouraged to click the "Report Post" icon in the lower left of a given post if they feel the post is in violation of the rules. This will alert the Moderators to take a look.

Alpha Software Corporation may amend the guidelines from time to time and may also vary the procedures it sets out where appropriate in a particular case. Your agreement to comply with the guidelines will be deemed agreement to any changes to it.



Bonus TIPS for Successful Posting

Try a Search First
It is highly recommended that a Search be done on your topic before posting, as many questions have been answered in prior posts. As with any search engine, the shorter the search term, the more "hits" will be returned, but the more specific the search term is, the greater the relevance of those "hits". Searching for "table" might well return every message on the board while "tablesum" would greatly restrict the number of messages returned.

When you do post
First, make sure you are posting your question in the correct forum. For example, if you post an issue regarding Desktop applications on the Mobile & Browser Applications board , not only will your question not be seen by the appropriate audience, it may also be removed or relocated.

The more detail you provide about your problem or question, the more likely someone is to understand your request and be able to help. A sample database with a minimum of records (and its support files, zipped together) will make it much easier to diagnose issues with your application. Screen shots of error messages are especially helpful.

When explaining how to reproduce your problem, please be as detailed as possible. Describe every step, click-by-click and keypress-by-keypress. Otherwise when others try to duplicate your problem, they may do something slightly different and end up with different results.

A note about attachments
You may only attach one file to each message. Attachment file size is limited to 2MB. If you need to include several files, you may do so by zipping them into a single archive.

If you forgot to attach your files to your post, please do NOT create a new thread. Instead, reply to your original message and attach the file there.

When attaching screen shots, it is best to attach an image file (.BMP, .JPG, .GIF, .PNG, etc.) or a zip file of several images, as opposed to a Word document containing the screen shots. Because Word documents are prone to viruses, many message board users will not open your Word file, therefore limiting their ability to help you.

Similarly, if you are uploading a zipped archive, you should simply create a .ZIP file and not a self-extracting .EXE as many users will not run your EXE file.
See more
See less

Loading A5V11 very slow

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #16
    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

    I tried my on-demand application using V11 and V7, just out of curiosity. It took 55 seconds to come up with V11. 6 seconds with V7. .NET or not, this is just not right -- major leaps backward in performance.

    Comment


      #17
      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

      If you are planning on going back to previous versions, don't go to Version 7, go to Version 8 - it is MUCH faster than V7. And it's a solid program. Just remember that if they are on a W764 workstation, the reports can't be saved or printed to PDF, sime the amiuni converter won't work on W764 workstations.

      A better solution is to open alpha in citrix - then it will run like a chetah!! as long as you don't have any devices but a printer, will work well, and will be simple to set up - although you will need your IT guy to help you. I have several clients who all (locally OR remotely) run Alpha from T/S (think Citrix.)
      Cole Custom Programming - Terrell, Texas
      972 524 8714
      [email protected]

      ____________________
      "A young man who is not liberal has no heart, but an old man who is not conservative has no mind." GB Shaw

      Comment


        #18
        Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

        the reports can't be saved or printed to PDF, sime the amiuni converter won't work on W764 workstations.
        Is this just V8 on Win 7/64 you are talking about Martin?
        See our Hybrid Option here;
        https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


        Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
        You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

        Comment


          #19
          Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

          Originally posted by martinwcole View Post
          If you are planning on going back to previous versions, don't go to Version 7, go to Version 8 - it is MUCH faster than V7. And it's a solid program. Just remember that if they are on a W764 workstation, the reports can't be saved or printed to PDF, sime the amiuni converter won't work on W764 workstations.

          A better solution is to open alpha in citrix - then it will run like a chetah!! as long as you don't have any devices but a printer, will work well, and will be simple to set up - although you will need your IT guy to help you. I have several clients who all (locally OR remotely) run Alpha from T/S (think Citrix.)
          I previously did some comparisons using V8 along with V7. My experience at the time, related to an application with high volume data entry among several workstations, was that V7 worked well and V8 did not. It may be, in general, that V8 would work better overall, but I didn't have that experience. Also, V8 was the first to be usable with Vista but, as I recall, it doesn't work under Windows 7 (nor does V7, of course).

          I will be getting to trying this in Citrix, though it's a mixed environment with external users on Citrix but not internal users. If Citrix is the speed demon you're saying, I don't know that this client will go for moving the internal users onto Citrix.

          Thanks.

          Jeff

          Comment


            #20
            Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

            Jeff,
            we're running ver 10.5 here, and, in all honesty, it is the only version since 5 that showed us any reasonable comparison in speed to ver 5. We bought 6-9, and in testing, we found that our users (>200) would throw us off the roof if we attempted to use them. I am running a win7 Dell optiplex 790 system, and ver 10.5 alpha loaded in 2 seconds. This wasn't loading any specific application, just the Alpha developer's software.Our main application is shadowed and, it too, loads very fast. We don't use Citrix. Our data is stored on a Windows 2003 server with direct connections to a 100Mb switch.
            I really don't know if any of this helps you at all, but I wanted to let you know that there is at least one system out here that seems to run pretty well.

            Tom

            Comment


              #21
              Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

              Originally posted by Tom Henkel View Post
              Jeff,
              we're running ver 10.5 here, and, in all honesty, it is the only version since 5 that showed us any reasonable comparison in speed to ver 5. We bought 6-9, and in testing, we found that our users (>200) would throw us off the roof if we attempted to use them. I am running a win7 Dell optiplex 790 system, and ver 10.5 alpha loaded in 2 seconds. This wasn't loading any specific application, just the Alpha developer's software.Our main application is shadowed and, it too, loads very fast. We don't use Citrix. Our data is stored on a Windows 2003 server with direct connections to a 100Mb switch.
              I really don't know if any of this helps you at all, but I wanted to let you know that there is at least one system out here that seems to run pretty well.

              Tom
              Very interesting. I tested V10 but not V10.5. I assume you're saying that V10.5 is significantly faster loading than V10? I'll have to try it. I have it but never installed it.

              Thanks.

              Jeff

              Comment


                #22
                Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                Originally posted by Tom Henkel View Post
                Jeff,
                we're running ver 10.5 here, and, in all honesty, it is the only version since 5 that showed us any reasonable comparison in speed to ver 5. We bought 6-9, and in testing, we found that our users (>200) would throw us off the roof if we attempted to use them. I am running a win7 Dell optiplex 790 system, and ver 10.5 alpha loaded in 2 seconds. This wasn't loading any specific application, just the Alpha developer's software.Our main application is shadowed and, it too, loads very fast. We don't use Citrix. Our data is stored on a Windows 2003 server with direct connections to a 100Mb switch.
                I really don't know if any of this helps you at all, but I wanted to let you know that there is at least one system out here that seems to run pretty well.

                Tom
                I went back to install V10.5 and funny things happened as a result. First, you're right about 10.5 loading very fast. But I also tested V11 loading time again and it is now "normal", meaning that it is loading in a reasonable time. Something about the installation of 10.5, probably the .net setup, must have fixed an issue. So I'll keep testing this. I'm inclined to use 10.5 at this point since you have good experience with it.

                Thanks for your help.

                Jeff

                Comment


                  #23
                  Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                  Jeff,

                  I don't remember actually loading plain ver 10. I think we went directly to 10. 5 as that was what was out when we purchased.

                  Tom

                  Comment


                    #24
                    Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                    Originally posted by Tom Henkel View Post
                    Jeff,

                    I don't remember actually loading plain ver 10. I think we went directly to 10. 5 as that was what was out when we purchased.

                    Tom
                    That's OK. I now have 10.5 installed and will use it for my situation rather than V11 or V7 (which is what I was going to do to get the loading time reduced). Thanks for your help.

                    Jeff

                    Comment


                      #25
                      Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                      I recently purchases V11 and updated my applications. I then installed V11 run-time on my users machines. They started to complain about how slow the new version was. Even after the application loaded, Alpha would freeze if they clicked on a date picker. I had to tell them to wait 30 seconds to a minute to use the app after it loaded. Finally went back to V10.5. The machines were a mix of Windows XP and 7.
                      Carl C. Smith, Jr.

                      Comment


                        #26
                        Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                        Having recently installed V11 from V5 (I know, I know) it was REALLY SLOW loading for maybe the first week. Developer and runtime. Now it seems okay. I have some logic check mark fields and could could click on one of them to change the state and then about15 seconds later it would change. I was very worried. But now, the more I work with it it seems to have settled down and is faster than V5..especially when updating child records. Isn't that strange?

                        Comment


                          #27
                          Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                          As explained in a previous post, Alpha Five Version 11 uses .NET 4.0 for much of the functionality. .NET 4.0 is optimized for Win 7, Vista and newer operating systems and should load in under 10 seconds in those systems, depending on the machine speed. This is typically within 1 to 2 seconds of A5V10. However, .NET 4.0 is not compatible with XP SP2 and older and is known to load slowly on all XP SP3 machines and Server 2003.

                          The load sequence is optimized to load all required elements first, so the Alpha Five program opens as quickly as possible. NET 4.0 is required to support many of the V11 features and must be completely loaded to support some features such as the date picker. Typical load times for the full .NET functionality is 1 minute and up to 2 minutes on slower XP machines.

                          Comment


                            #28
                            Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                            Net 4.0 or no, it's taking A5V11 over sixty seconds to load over a network. Now once it's loaded, is shut down and then reloaded, it's faster--well almost instantaneous. I just mention this because I'm still chasing this issue. So does that the .Net at work or why would it be like that? BTW, once that first load is done, the other apps load fast, too. Is there any way to keep .net resident? Seems to flush out at log off--if that's what's causing the delay. Most clients figure it's a 'hang' and close it--then complain. Any work arounds?

                            Comment


                              #29
                              Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                              Forgot to add that we are running Win 7 on all machines.

                              Comment


                                #30
                                Re: Loading A5V11 very slow

                                I'm running V11 on an old dog of a machine which I have to use due to VPN issues and secure data.
                                Typically in XP I have found that once a program is launched, it is quicker second time. I suspect it's to do with the program residency and the path/connections I n memory.
                                My dev pc using ssd takes 12 seconds to load and present Win 7. Another 5 secs to load Alpha.
                                See our Hybrid Option here;
                                https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                                Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                                You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X