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    #31
    Re: windows 8

    Wooaa,

    Spoke too soon, now find if I open an app on Win 8 the app runs natively without the need to run in compatibilty mode exactly what I need, BUT some button icons disappear randomly and leave an ugly background. If I then open in Win 7 compatibilty mode then the icons are OK. Looks like we need far more tests
    I run the same V11 Runtime on the same Win 8 PC, one in Compatibilty Win7 and the other Native Win 8, compatible version shows OK but Win 8 Native messed up button bitmaps.

    Michael
    Last edited by Michael Humby; 11-07-2012, 04:34 PM.

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      #32
      Re: windows 8

      Registry changes for Compatibility mode
      See Option 3
      http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...lity-mode.html

      I think it would be possible for your installer program to test the version of Windows installed then if needed add the entries to the registry.
      Andrew

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        #33
        Re: windows 8

        I had looked that site earlier, and that gave me the idea that changing a reg setting may be possible. I need to Win 8 installed on the laptop and then start trying to code out a solution. Well maybe I should back up the registry before I start that.
        Regards,

        John W.
        www.CustomReportWriters.net

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          #34
          Re: windows 8

          What Os are you using now? If it is Windows 7 then you can play with the registry changing the settings with what you have now. Not sure if Vista had the same setup as Windows 7 and Windows 8 do for compatibility settings. Windows XP had a similar concept build in but Windows 7 is vastly improved upon the XP implementation.

          However I strongly recommend that you do test with Windows 8 before signing off on it.
          Andrew

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            #35
            Re: windows 8

            If it is ok I wanted to add my 2 cents on this.

            We have to look at the chronology here.

            Alpha Five v10.5 and below were built long before Win8 was released for testing

            MS then releases Win8 which had a lot of internal changes and it turns out that we had to put significant software engineering effort in order to make Alpha Five v11 (our current product) work properly with Win8

            So in sumary: Alpha Five v11 is the version of Alpha that is designed to work with Win 8 and earlier versions of Alpha Five are not designed to work with Win 8.

            If you are building an app in an earlier version of Alpha Five - the upgrade of your app to v11 should be pretty smooth.

            Also we will be announcing a very affordable upgrade to v11 from earlier versions today - if you dont get the announcement mailing just email me at [email protected] please

            Thanks
            Richard Rabins
            Co Chairman
            Alpha Software

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              #36
              Re: windows 8

              I guess that's that!!

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                #37
                Re: windows 8

                So in sumary: Alpha Five v11 is the version of Alpha that is designed to work with Win 8 and earlier versions of Alpha Five are not designed to work with Win 8.
                So why did it take until now for that little piece of news to be shared with the developer community? Anyway ignoring that issue,

                From what has been reported on the message board, A5 V10 will run in Win 8 but only using the compatibility mode.
                I have installed Win 8. It is different enough I will need to spend more time finding where things are located and how to access them. It seems there are two options for a workaround that I have found. The first is to create a custom shim database and install it locally as part of the install package. I know that there a lot of issues with that and probably more complex that it sounds.

                The second is to add a registry entry, that sets A5 to run in compatibility mode. For that we know:

                - the registry key that needs to be added and set. " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\AppCompatFlags\Layers"
                - we know we need to set the path in the Key to something like "Path\alpha.exe"=WINXPSP2" . We could use the 'WIN7RTM' setting inlieu of the 'WINXPS2 option.
                No the question is how best to do that and then how to do it.

                Some 3rd party installers have the means of dealing with registry settings, I don't recall if the A5 installer does, but it appears to me there must be a way to get this done. It seems we have the bits they just need to wired together.

                Any thoughts or suggestions?
                Regards,

                John W.
                www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                  #38
                  Re: windows 8

                  Richard,

                  As far as I am concerened, You are always welcome in any forum message thread at any time.

                  I think most of us understood the timeline. The unhappiness was from our NOT being told that v10 would not be readily able to run in win8.
                  Dave Mason
                  [email protected]
                  Skype is dave.mason46

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                    #39
                    Re: windows 8

                    Dave,

                    I think you've put your finger on it. But, I have to say, I'm struggling to understand what Alpha should have done differently. Do you think they need to announce now that vers 11 is not being licensed for use with Windows 9 or 10?

                    -- tom

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                      #40
                      Re: windows 8

                      Tom

                      You asked Dave, but I will butt in... It seems to me that if the platform is known to have issues with the operating system current or future the developer community should be told. As developers we need to make decisions about the tools we use and when to best use them. It also helps a small one man shop like mine plan and budget for new tools.

                      I guess I would not think such information is too much to provide. I am not criticizing the product. I will say if I had known that the version of A5 I use, (v10.5) would not run on the much anticipated Win 8; I would have gone with a different tool to develop my application so I could get it out the door. As I have said I am the cause of my problem, I caused it by making the decision for A5. In my case it proved not to be the wise choice.

                      Now I am in quandary, do I try to make a work around and try to save 6 months plus worth of effort, do I buy a license for v11 and v11 RT which are not currently in my budget, or do throw in the towel and salvage what I can an go to another development platform.

                      But yes, I believe if Alpha knew of the problem, it appears they did, and did not share that with the developers using the platform, it was a mistake.
                      Regards,

                      John W.
                      www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                        #41
                        Re: windows 8

                        John,

                        Sorry. Could not disagree more. Its a good thing reasonable people can have different opinions.

                        Regards,

                        -- tom

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                          #42
                          Re: windows 8

                          Tom

                          Its okay to disagree with me I am sure a number of people probably do. Truth be told there are days when I disagree with myself. :)))
                          Regards,

                          John W.
                          www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                            #43
                            Re: windows 8

                            John, good luck with your project.

                            -- tom

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                              #44
                              Re: windows 8

                              Originally posted by Tom Cone Jr View Post
                              Dave,

                              I think you've put your finger on it. But, I have to say, I'm struggling to understand what Alpha should have done differently. Do you think they need to announce now that vers 11 is not being licensed for use with Windows 9 or 10?

                              -- tom
                              In version 11 they announced that it is not licensed for Windows 8 but did then change opinion. So why not for version 9 and 10.

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                                #45
                                Re: windows 8

                                John W,
                                It seems to me that if the platform is known to have issues with the operating system current or future the developer community should be told.
                                I'm thinking that the underlined word is the crux of the issue. Win8 and A5v11 were in development simultaneous. It's not like Alpha had a completed and final Win8 platform to develop and test their v11 version.

                                Originally posted by kkfin View Post
                                In version 11 they announced that it is not licensed for Windows 8 but did then change opinion.
                                Wouldn't that change of opinion follow having the capacity to test it and then produce an informed statement?
                                So why not for version 9 and 10.
                                Maybe... because it/they does/do not yet exist? You really can't hold someone accountable for "speculative future event", can you? Really?
                                Mike W
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