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Web Server - How Useful is It?

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    #46
    Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

    I don't know what you mean by Desktop Hybrid and I see the last two as the same. Browser-based or web-enabled, whatever we call it, it's still being served up by the WAS. How that WAS server is accessed is irrelevant. Matters not if only on the LAN or from the WAN, internet, web, whatever. And Ken's point about server security appropriate for any type of network.

    Of course, if you have a properly fire-walled network it may be less critical to set up the security at the app level if ONLY allowing LAN access. I suppose this is a matter for debate. I would suggest that network guys would say setup the security anyway.

    In my current desktop application I do not have a special security framework set up. If you get on my network you could mess with my database. Network security guys would freak. But this is one of the risks I take as a do-it-yourself developer. I have the LAN firewalled and have never had an intruder. I have some ports opened for my use only. But if someone targeted me I couldn't stop them.

    I think I will have a better chance of securing my application and data using the WAS. Since I am not a programmer I don't quite understand how to do this on the desktop side. I get lost in the process. But the WAS and the A5 web components have a built-in security system. I'm not sure how robust these are but it's better than what I have now with my desktop app.

    This may not be an issue for a professional developer but I have limited programming skills. From my point of view I favor using the WAS since it seems to be more future oriented. I like the desktop and it is not as hard as the WAS approach but I am afraid I am playing with fire when considering the security angle. Plus, I really want easy access to my data from anywhere. For me, the browser-based apps will eventually replace the desktop apps.

    Sean

    Originally posted by forskare View Post
    I Sean,

    Thank you for your comment. It is very informative. As with anything new, Alpha has to feel their way along as well, hence the confusion. There are really 4 ways to access an app:
    1) Desktop Only
    2) Desktop Hybrid
    3) Browser Intranet
    4) Browser Internet

    I have gone back and forth between Desktop Only, Desktop Hybrid and Browser based and have come to the following collusion which doesn't mean I know all the answers; far from it:

    At this point, my thought is to develop an app as Browser Intranet unless there are valid reasons to go purely Desktop. While it is possible to have a Menu form on the Desktop which opens other forms, hence using an extensive array of grids and dialogs, I think that one would be better served to use the grids and dialogs sparingly, simply because when field names are changed and other changes are made, it can be quite tedious to track down the resulting errors in grids and dialogs. Of course the same is true with Web Only but at least there are no forms with which to interact.

    Perhaps the bigger issue is knowing the ins and outs of setting up an app to run Internet and Intranet. The do's and don'ts etc. It's like we have all these pieces of a puzzle but little direction on how to put it together. For those new to the web part of the arena, one word I would use to sum it up is, "OUCH!"

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      #47
      Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

      Sean

      I would imagine the security is solid in WAS but again you may want to start a new thread about getting security setup recommendations for WAS. I know I worry but if the system is mission critical or has customer data that may be private you cannot worry enough.
      Regards,

      John W.
      www.CustomReportWriters.net

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        #48
        Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

        And Ken's point about server security appropriate for any type of network.
        I believe John is the one who is pointing out the security and righfully so. For me it will be more important than the app since the data is highly critical.


        Originally posted by jkwrpc View Post
        I know I worry but if the system is mission critical or has customer data that may be private you cannot worry enough.
        Yes, John. Your are very correct. This is one thing that could keep me awake at night.
        TYVM :) kenn

        Knowing what you can achieve will not become reality until you imagine and explore.

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          #49
          Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

          Quite right. Got mixed up. Thank you Ken, and John.

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            #50
            Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

            Please can i run Alpha 5 application server on the same server hosting Sharepoint server?

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              #51
              Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

              gbenga,

              You are much better off starting your own thread especially when you question is so off topic of this thread. You will most likely get more lookers and possible responses with your own thread.
              Jeff Ryder

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                #52
                Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

                Please can i run Alpha 5 application server on the same server hosting Sharepoint server?
                Is a Sharepoint server just a normal Windows server that has Sharepoint running on it? Or is there something special about a Sharepoint server? If it is a normal server, then yes you can run A5 Web application server (WAS) on that machine. If Sharepoint hogs the Port 80/443 you will have to deal with that by running Alpha on some other port like 81.
                Steve Wood
                See my profile on IADN

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                  #53
                  Re: Web Server - How Useful is It?

                  I believe you still need IIS to run Sharepoint apps on the web. This should have no impact on WAS. Sharepoint as you know is the way you create an MS Access web application. That made many Access developers upset. Sharepoint added another level of complexity to Access applications. There many other uses for Sharepoint for workflows and collaboration.

                  I do not know about port numbers but I would doubt it claim the default IIS port, since both come from MS.
                  Regards,

                  John W.
                  www.CustomReportWriters.net

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