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    Can the company please comment on IIS support?

    Can someone at the company please comment on IIS support?

    Thank you.
    Frank R
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    Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

    Yeah, good luck with that.

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      Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

      On 5/5/12, I got an email saying "...In order to get important customer feedback, Alpha Software is looking for customer involvement in testing an early experience version of our support for Alpha Five Application Server running under Microsoft IIS 7. The development is not complete, but there are enough components to install and run A5W pages and to configure and secure them..."

      In some correspondence with Richard Rabins on 11/3/12, his response to my question about this was simply "IT IS QUITE FAR ALONG AND IS AVAILABLE FOR TESTING IN A PRE BETA MODE CHRIS".

      Sometime in October last year a sales guy told me that v12 would ship with IIS while trying to sell me on extending my subscription. Not that he could tell me anything about v12 (and this was prior to Alpha offering any videos on Alpha Anywhere, etc) or anticipated release dates nor could he respond to my questions if I would still get it as a v11 subscriber since it was slated to be released as a later release of v11 in Fall 2011 (The correspondence with Richard above included my frustration with the poor, insulting, and deceitful sales pitches).

      I'll say that I think Alpha legitimately had no idea what was involved in the IIS thing when they started making promises about it, and that they're probably also frustrated that it's not up and running. However, I agree that it's 100% unacceptable that they haven't made any apologies, but I second Chris' statement--you're not likely to get anything from them.

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        Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

        My understanding is that they are making significant positive progress, but they don't have a timeline...
        Peter
        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

         [email protected]
        https://www.alphabasesolutions.com

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          Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

          Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
          My understanding is that they are making significant positive progress, but they don't have a timeline...
          It would be nice if they did give us some information on these new developments

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            Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

            I think they (Alpha software) have to come with a statement, since version 10, they have been saying that IIS support was just around the corner, but nothing has happened, and for the last year it has been total silence, so I don't really think there ever will be ISS support for Alpha, and if that is the case then tell us and we know what to expect.

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              Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

              I think they (Alpha software) have to come with a statement, since version 10
              Agreed

              so I don't really think there ever will be ISS support for Alpha

              Disagree
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

               [email protected]
              https://www.alphabasesolutions.com

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                #8
                Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                I'm with Peter--he beat me to it.

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                  Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                  What about the Xbasic compiler in the "road-map?" wiki.alphasoftware.com/Road+Map+V11&structure=What%27s+New+in+Version+11
                  Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
                  It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
                  RELOADED: My current posting activity here merely represents a "Momentary Lapse Of Reason."

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                    Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                    Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                    I think they (Alpha software) have to come with a statement, since version 10
                    Agreed

                    so I don't really think there ever will be ISS support for Alpha

                    Disagree
                    Correct building an API product for IIS is a complex task!

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                      Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                      Originally posted by SNusa View Post
                      What about the Xbasic compiler in the "road-map?" wiki.alphasoftware.com/Road+Map+V11&structure=What%27s+New+in+Version+11
                      Perhaps in the near future after the launch off "Anywhere" en beyond IIS Anywhere Applicationserver, how knows, let simple wait and see what's next.

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                        Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                        As any developer knows, when you give an expected time of delivery, it is based on actual coding + some time for unexpected issues + time for a real life.
                        Most delays are caused when the unexpected issues take more time to resolve, usually because you're waiting on a 3rd party to produce/fix something.

                        As far as IIS, I would rather not rely on it at all, especially since we know that Microsoft is nowhere near as responsive as Alpha Software is when it comes to fixing problems.

                        I haven't asked, or even chatted with them about this, but I am certain that Selwyn, Richard, and all the others at Alpha Software would love nothing better than to release a reliable update that utilizes IIS yesterday.
                        Gregg
                        https://paiza.io is a great site to test and share sql code

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                          #13
                          Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                          Patience is a virtue rather wait a little longer for a good result, then settle for a half-finished product. The latter will be happy not what I know of Alpha Team allows me to feel and gives confidence.

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                            Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                            Originally posted by madtowng View Post
                            As any developer knows, when you give an expected time of delivery, it is based on actual coding + some time for unexpected issues + time for a real life.
                            Most delays are caused when the unexpected issues take more time to resolve, usually because you're waiting on a 3rd party to produce/fix something.

                            As far as IIS, I would rather not rely on it at all, especially since we know that Microsoft is nowhere near as responsive as Alpha Software is when it comes to fixing problems.

                            I haven't asked, or even chatted with them about this, but I am certain that Selwyn, Richard, and all the others at Alpha Software would love nothing better than to release a reliable update that utilizes IIS yesterday.
                            I don't actually see the point with the MS IIS server thing..... Alpha Software is all about "taking the other road." Besides, Microsoft's uncanny willingness (premeditated?) to "break something because they can" is a good reason to avoid risk & stick with the a5 web server from a business model perspective.... IMHO. All these dependencies on MS at some point could make Alpha "irrelevant", and they certainly don't want that. While I most certainly saw the need to support multiple back-end SQL (which includes MS SQL), to "put their eggs in the IIS basket" is dangerous from a business/risk perspective.... (just thinking out loud here)

                            Maybe that's why all seems quiet on the IIS front? ~ From a business/risk perspective, I wouldn't want to be dependent upon IIS! Maybe someone else is thinking the same thing. If so, you heard it here first! (Although, it goes without saying how many MS dependencies Alpha has recently added into their "non industry standards" product which is becoming "more industry standard.") I never asked, but exactly what is the reason for Alpha wanting to move from a5 web server to IIS in the first place? .....Pluses & minuses here for certain!
                            Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
                            It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
                            RELOADED: My current posting activity here merely represents a "Momentary Lapse Of Reason."

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                              Re: Can the company please comment on IIS support?

                              I'm far from expert but here's how I understand it.
                              1) IIS serves up HTML and Javascript and other basic file types a lot more efficiently than the Alpha Five WAS.
                              2) IIS can have plugins, which the Alpha Five module will be. If an a5w page is requested, the Alpha Five plugin runs that code; if a php page were requested, a php plugin would execute that code.
                              So particularly for the developers who have standard HTML/Javascript websites and only one portion of it makes sense to have Alpha Five components, or perhaps other parts of the site are already php or something else, this integration becomes possible.

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