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v12 Release Notes

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    #16
    Re: v12 Release Notes

    Well that was short lived!
    Steve Wood
    See my profile on IADN

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      #17
      Re: v12 Release Notes

      This is my favorite new function in version 12:

      A5.executeThisThenThat()

      Who can say that function naming is not in good hands in Alpha!

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        #18
        Re: v12 Release Notes

        Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
        Well that was short lived!
        At any case, this reaction was..... seems a case of instant short-circuiting somewhere.

        Who says the idea died instantly? I just pointed out what I think the outlines of such a project would be, that it would be a huge job, that you would not get paid for it other then a possible positive effect on the product you use, and that there should be something I would call "dynamic interest" of Alpha itself. That's not a death verdict per se. Or do you think it is?

        The other question was, if/what IADN had done in this respect. As a developer interest organisation seeing that many worrying developers about this subject one would think IADN would already have done some of that work? Seems a fair question?

        I think the stated "dynamic interest" would be something like Alpha taking the lead in forming a "customer interest group" or something like that. Showing such an initiative would really matter to them and them being ready to actually participate. Does not seem very unfair as well?

        Or do you REALLY think people here would all round together investing a huge amount of hours to only in the end hear someone say: "Thank you, but we sail our own course?"

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          #19
          Re: v12 Release Notes

          Originally posted by kkfin View Post
          This is my favorite new function in version 12:

          A5.executeThisThenThat()

          Who can say that function naming is not in good hands in Alpha!


          You can parse the following subjects that will get executed automatically:

          This = Invoice
          Then = if not paid
          That = send debt collector

          And off you go !

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            #20
            Re: v12 Release Notes

            I have to say the moderators on this forum do a good job with it. Its pretty thankless work, but is something that benefits all of us. A long time ago I learned you can't please all the people all the time, I imagine its also true when you are tasked with moderating forums as active as these.
            Regards,

            John W.
            www.CustomReportWriters.net

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              #21
              Re: v12 Release Notes

              Ray

              I have had trouble in effectively deploying desktop apps that used web components. I hope someone tests this in v11 and reports their success or failure. I have not had chance to do it yet
              Regards,

              John W.
              www.CustomReportWriters.net

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                #22
                Re: v12 Release Notes

                Hi Robert
                (Removing Personal attacks and or foul language posts would be one thing, but I've never seen any of that behavior here.)
                That is probably because they have been removed in good time. I know I have asked for a number to be removed and a couple were removed because of rude comments towards me and other good contributors to this forum.

                Alpha directors do listen to customers, as any progressive company does, but at the same time they are innovators and that comes from understanding the existing technology and building something unique with it.

                Well we have had another discussion and what have we learned today? Oops, sorry that was another question!!!
                Regards
                Keith Hubert
                Alpha Guild Member
                London.
                KHDB Management Systems
                Skype = keith.hubert


                For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                  #23
                  Re: v12 Release Notes

                  Originally posted by Keith Hubert View Post
                  .... a couple were removed because of rude comments towards me and other good contributors to this forum....
                  Really Keith? Why would they make rude comments towards you?
                  I personally do not have that experience I am happy to say.

                  Originally posted by Keith Hubert View Post
                  Well we have had another discussion and what have we learned today?
                  That is quite cynical Keith... where does that come from? To learn something is closely bound to how you engage in the process. If you don't WANT to learn something, you mostly won't.
                  It all depends. Some people learn more in 2 days than others in a lifetime.

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                    #24
                    Re: v12 Release Notes

                    Hi Marcel,
                    To learn something is closely bound to how you engage in the process. If you don't WANT to learn something, you mostly won't.
                    That is very true.

                    Without being cynical, my question still stands, what have we learned today from this thread, apart from me being a cynic and the moderators are doing a good job?
                    Regards
                    Keith Hubert
                    Alpha Guild Member
                    London.
                    KHDB Management Systems
                    Skype = keith.hubert


                    For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                      #25
                      Re: v12 Release Notes

                      Well, would I have answered in the way you seem to prefer yourself, I could have said something like: "why today?".

                      That, however, would not have been very productive nor responsive. Now here is the first thing you could have learned from this thread today. Not a small thing.
                      More to the point of the initial post: we have learned, or could have learned, that there actually ARE ways to make a difference. Steve was so kind to post just one way of doing so. There might be even more options.

                      A product does not stand on its own Keith. It is not an autonomous organism. It thrives on happy customers.... and in return, customers become happy from a good and suitable product that fits their needs.
                      This however requires effort and communication. If you don't water the plant, what will happen in the end?

                      And again, you could have learned yet another thing....

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                        #26
                        Re: v12 Release Notes

                        Hi Marcel,

                        Please can I borrow your watering can?
                        Regards
                        Keith Hubert
                        Alpha Guild Member
                        London.
                        KHDB Management Systems
                        Skype = keith.hubert


                        For your day-to-day Needs, you Need an Alpha Database!

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                          #27
                          Re: v12 Release Notes

                          For the most robust growth you also have to properly prune the plant. Not saying that about Alpha's business, just about plants.

                          I did survey the IADN Develpers about Desktop (because I dont know). It will take 24 hrs for all responses, but so far its either "don't care" or "critical" depending on who is responding. If any members think it is important, that would make it important to me.
                          Steve Wood
                          See my profile on IADN

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                            #28
                            Re: v12 Release Notes

                            Originally posted by Keith Hubert View Post
                            Hi Marcel,

                            Please can I borrow your watering can?
                            You have your own already.... you only need to fill it up with water. If you feel emotional because all the new stuff you just learned: "don't spill your tears" would be my best advice....

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                              #29
                              Re: v12 Release Notes

                              Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                              For the most robust growth you also have to properly prune the plant. Not saying that about Alpha's business, just about plants.

                              I did survey the IADN Develpers about Desktop (because I dont know). It will take 24 hrs for all responses, but so far its either "don't care" or "critical" depending on who is responding. If any members think it is important, that would make it important to me.
                              Great that you did that! Just a question: what would "critical" mean? In which context, did you ask it like: "do you think further development of the desktop side is critical?" or did you used it in another way/sense?
                              Should no members think it important, that would actually mean that the desktop is as good as dead already. Not?

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                                #30
                                Re: v12 Release Notes

                                Originally posted by Keith Hubert View Post
                                ....
                                Without being cynical, my question still stands, what have we learned today from this thread, apart from me being a cynic and the moderators are doing a good job?
                                Come on Keith, we have learned a number of other things. 1) The v12 release notes as yet don't say squat about the desktop--I didn't know that and I find it alarming; 2) Some (myself included) are worried that Alpha, perhaps for good ROI reasons, has pretty much abandoned the desktop (for desktop only people, did V11's new desktop features justify the cost of upgrading from V10.5? We didn't get opinions from V11 users on that here but it is a good question); and 3) some may have learned that the history of the infamous Wishlist is enough to give pause to anyone embarking on the hard work of putting together an exhaustive list list. I personally don't think much, if anything, would come of it.

                                And Keith, if answers were a precondition of discussion, there wouldn't many good discussions. I don't think there is anything wrong with Marcel bringing up this topic. If you don't want to participate, don't participate--or maybe turn it into the cops for deletion (it might work!). And by cops, I don't mean the user-moderators, I mean Alpha people.

                                Raymond Lyons

                                Edit: My, the number of new posts while I was typing!

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