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    #16
    Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

    Ray in Capetown


    Verrryyy interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say.... Perhaps my backup plan for a future where Windows will not run Version 11 will not be a suitable workaround, e.g. run a Win 7 or Win 8 emulator on a Linux box???


    Wonder if anyone has tried running Alpha5 in that environment??
    Bruce Cavenaile

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      #17
      Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

      Fred

      This hype about running everything you could ever want to run on a smartphone is just that -"hype", and not reality. We'll see in the next few years if Alpha decides to return to the desktop. I sure hope so.
      Bruce Cavenaile

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        #18
        Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

        Originally posted by Ray in Capetown View Post
        With reference to my posts #4 and #6.
        As sent to me, the attached screenshot is what MY client got first, running with WIN 8. Before I got them to run in XP compatibility
        It appears not a WIN compatibility issue but Alpha redirecting client to themselves for a required upgrade.

        Please correct me if, in anyone's view, my assumption is incorrect, but it leaves me with a little sour taste about our principal (principled) supplier.
        In all my experience no supplier has tried to harvest my clients. Inevitably ONE day everyone's client will receive this message.
        Ray, I am pretty darned sure you are correct. Based on my experience running other older Windows program in Win8 with no hiccups (e.g., the 2007 Accountant version of QuickBooks and a number of others) my guess is that Alpha just built an incompatibility message into at least V10 and v10.5 in order to push upgrades. If so this is extremely irritating and borders on being unethical (as if ethics has anything to do with business). And does v11 already have something similar already in it that will say it is incompatible with Win X even if it isn't? I can see why Alpha might do this kind of thing, but it is the kind of thing that really pisses me off.

        Raymond Lyons

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          #19
          Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

          Raymond

          Looking at the message which Capetown Ray posted, it made up my mind for me. I just purchased two licenses for M$-Access 2013 at C$ 119.00 each and will use those for my conversion.
          Bruce Cavenaile

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            #20
            Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

            You just gotta luv the evil empire !!!!

            I may not be going anywhere after all....... Bought the two licenses at the M$ online store, paid with PayPal, created my account with M$, and then was told that my product links were EXPIRED !!!!

            If it wasn't for BAD LUCK, I doubt that I would have any luck at all......
            Bruce Cavenaile

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              #21
              Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

              Bruce I could not agree with you more. I don't even like trying to do my banks app on my Android phone. Screen is to small and its easier to wait and use my laptop or desktop when I get home. Phones are just too small to be effective without a lot of work swishing screens back and forth and constantly expanding the screen each time to see the app enough to use it.

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                #22
                Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                regarding ray's post #13:

                is this possible, alpha has been a product aimed at self programmers and small programmers, at least in the past ( as evidenced by lack of shrink wrapped off the shelf alpha programs).
                and this mentality still persists with their programmers?
                so the message came out of that habit of directly communicating with that self programmers not really intended to steal your clients ( now that some decades have gone by and alpha is actually used by good programmers like you as their profession. is that possible, ray?

                there is certain negative feeling about alpha five company exists at this time so it is quite normal to feel them to be evil empire. but why not give the benefit of doubt, they may be innocent after all!
                this comment is not intended to support the current practices of alpha software, only to look into the habit of programing. they ( their programmers ) should change the message box to read differently, like,
                "alpha five is not licensed to work with this operating system. please contact your software provider for any questions or concerns" if they have done that you won't have so much concern, correct?

                Please correct me if, in anyone's view, my assumption is incorrect, but it leaves me with a little sour taste about our principal (principled) supplier.
                Last edited by GGandhi; 07-19-2013, 06:55 AM.
                thanks for reading

                gandhi

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                  #23
                  Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                  Wherefrom does it concern negative feeling against Alpha. You can of course only speak for yourself.
                  As programmers we are very literal, we dont add meaning to statements.
                  I am opposed to the practise of building in an undeclared limitation, creating the impression that Alpha will not run on a system without an upgrade (when it actually will), that is their own message - and not just a message, IT SHUTS DOWN, it WILL NOT ALLOW THE USER TO CONTINUE - that is a CRITICAL ISSUE .. secondary issue having my client directed to their website. The primary should never occur. It's blatantly dishonest whoever is responsible. I would not supply software with some hidden limitation on it and hold the user ransom at a point I know they will reach.

                  In the first instance, if Alpha's contract with me was that the version will only be valid for a certain WINx then I would decide whether to purchase and /or install under that condition with the client up front. Client want to know why I concealed the fact.

                  In effect Alpha is another layer on other layers and the programming we provide and charge for is the highest additional layer.
                  That makes us more than an agent representing Alpha, we are the vendor and remain responsible in every regard.

                  And, as RayL said indirectly, a program that is incompatible with a WIN version will get a message from MS.
                  Last edited by Ray in Capetown; 07-19-2013, 08:49 AM.

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                    #24
                    Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                    Compatibility mode is a simple, one-time setting.

                    XP mode is a whole big deal.
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                      #25
                      Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                      As programmers we are very literal, we dont add meaning to statements.
                      thanks ray, for clarifying, but not fast enough.

                      Looking at the message which Capetown Ray posted, it made up my mind for me. I just purchased two licenses for M$-Access 2013 at C$ 119.00 each and will use those for my conversion.
                      hope they made right decision.
                      Last edited by GGandhi; 07-19-2013, 11:11 AM.
                      thanks for reading

                      gandhi

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                        #26
                        Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                        Hi Ray,

                        Originally posted by Ray in Capetown View Post
                        As sent to me, the attached screenshot is what MY client got first, running with WIN 8. Before I got them to run in XP compatibility
                        It appears not a WIN compatibility issue but Alpha redirecting client to themselves for a required upgrade.

                        Please correct me if, in anyone's view, my assumption is incorrect, but it leaves me with a little sour taste about our principal (principled) supplier.
                        In all my experience no supplier has tried to harvest my clients. Inevitably ONE day everyone's client will receive this message.
                        This message will appear in A5v10 (and maybe some lower versions as well). It will not appear in A5v11, and A5v12 (as V12 currently exists)

                        If osversion() in Alpha Five returns > 6.1 (6.1 is windows 7), it will return this message. By setting the win XP compatibility mode on Alpha Five V10 properties of the shortcut on EXE, osversion() returns 5.1, and it runs fine in later Windows versions (well on the surface anyway)

                        This is actually a valid thing to do, as if Alpha Five V10 (and earlier versions too) tries to access the windows folders in "non-compatible" ways, there can be issues. Setting it to the earlier XP compatibility allows Windows to modify it's interface to be compatible with the older versions of Alpha Five.

                        Also, see my Windows 7 (and Vista) compatibility tips
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                          #27
                          Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                          Originally posted by GGandhi View Post
                          regarding ray's post #13:

                          there is certain negative feeling about alpha five company exists at this time so it is quite normal to feel them to be evil empire. but why not give the benefit of doubt, they may be innocent after all!
                          Just to clarify (for the benefit of those reading this thread), my reference to the "evil empire" actually refers to Microsoft and not to Alpha Software. I picked up that expression from John Dvorak in an old PC Magazine column.
                          Bruce Cavenaile

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                            #28
                            Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                            Ira
                            Thanks for trying to defend AS on that basis, but that's not going to wash.
                            The message before shutdown does not say "run in XP compatibilty mode" but;
                            "THIS VERSION IS NOT LICENSED FOR THIS OPERATING SYSTEM, go to www..." which is categorically the same as "You have no option but upgrade and here's who to contact to do so"

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                              #29
                              Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                              Hi Ray,

                              Originally posted by Ray in Capetown View Post
                              The message before shutdown does not say "run in XP compatibilty mode" but;
                              "THIS VERSION IS NOT LICENSED FOR THIS OPERATING SYSTEM, go to www..." which is categorically the same as "You have no option but upgrade and here's who to contact to do so"
                              I'm not a lawyer, but that's like saying you can't use a DVD disc on a blu-ray player as it is not licensed for that player. One could say as as long as the blu-ray has a legal DRM license for DVD's, you can use it.

                              As long as Alpha Five can be made to think it's running under the proper operating system, I think it's fine (although Alpha Software is probably not going to guarantee it's operation under other emulations of Windows, be it Microsoft, Linux or Apple OS). However, there may be buried in the fine print about legal use of Alpha Five in other environments, but I kind of doubt it. Even if if it did, I kind of believe that it wouldn't hold up in court, but that's a non-lawyer opinion.

                              I think the better description of the message is that "THIS VERSION WILL NOT OPERATE IN THE NATIVE MODE OF THIS OPERATING SYSTEM, EITHER UPGRADE TO NEWER VERSION OR USE AN OLDER OPERATING SYSTEM (OR EMULATION OF ONE) WITH THE CURRENT ONE."

                              As to the quality of Alpha's, Window's or any OS's error messages, I think it varies greatly from very clear to extremely obtuse, and from being a valid statement to having no basis at all.
                              Regards,

                              Ira J. Perlow
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                                #30
                                Re: Ver 11 will run OK until Windows [x] release

                                Quite , Ira
                                But at least allow the software to run - in this case I'm pretty sure it could have, because every other software that moved did continue to run - but if it failed then Windows had made incompatible changes. And to the client and all, that would be not the vendor's doing.
                                Quite different logically and legally (because it was not ever in any way a condition specified) to announce that there is a licence infringement and shut down.

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