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Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

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    #16
    Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

    Originally posted by amorris View Post
    Steve,

    I really don't think a million people will fit in there. :)
    Perhaps helpdesk people and system administrators, but i am not sure

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      #17
      Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

      1 or 2 hundred servers maybe. I would be willing to make a huge bet they don't depend on anything running basic on the web.
      from facebook:
      <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/yG/r/VJHd2k0HZHS.css" />
      <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/yf/r/UPV_qJZh_Nt.css" />
      <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/yU/r/ThccKDtdwYM.css" />
      <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/yj/r/vga_ZZ-9ZZt.css" />
      <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v2/y2/r/oD0Iw5_9i8x.css" />
      so now we know?

      You tube could be java??

      Craigslist could be .net, altough I was told php backend.

      Autotrader could be java

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        #18
        Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

        Originally posted by amorris View Post
        1 or 2 hundred servers maybe. I would be willing to make a huge bet they don't depend on anything running basic on the web.
        from facebook:

        so now we know?

        You tube could be java??

        Craigslist could be .net, altough I was told php backend.

        Autotrader could be java
        And your guesses are based on?

        Youtube was originally PHP and is now Python I believe.
        Facebook was originally PHP and I believe still uses MySQL backend
        Craigslist is written in Perl with a MySQL backend

        A lot of these sites use layers in between
        Theyre not just running web servers + load balancers + databases
        Theyre also running memcache layers and other optimizations (I think facebook now converts their PHP to C++) , tons of server farms with redudant web servers & multiple databases
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          #19
          Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

          Hi ,

          I think it is not a problem of the number of servers or other, the problem lies in doing a good marketing that can attract a lot of developers and incentives to develop with Alpha Five
          Cristiano
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          Skype: cris-do

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            #20
            Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

            Good question.

            If you look in the A5 application server config (performance tab), it defaults to 48 server threads. It can be changed, but I assume they made it 48 for good reason.

            Assuming a 10% concurrent user load, you can support a user community of 480 users on 1 app server. You can throw hardware at the problem, but you would also need an A5 app server license for each instance. The resulting cost would likely cause you to go with another solution.

            By contrast, the NGINX server supports thousands of concurrent threads, but you would not have the A5 RAD framework.

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              #21
              Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

              Alpha's own site running php, what does that say?

              msgboard.alphasoftware.com/alphaforum/showthread.php?107314-Why-famous-websites-never-use-Alpha-Software-for-public-access

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                #22
                Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                The Forum is php. Their company website is not php.
                Steve Wood
                See my profile on IADN

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                  #23
                  Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                  asp

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                    #24
                    Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                    Any company that does not use their own products where applicable is worthy of being looked at with a bit of suspicion.
                    Suppose Ford would have their top layer personnel drive around in Peugeot cars, what message does that send?
                    The typical Alpha Five customer however does not seem to be interested much in messages. He seems to have no choice.
                    Like Steve said: whatever you tell them, they go forward anyway. A bit like the old game, how was it called, "Lemmings" ?
                    Those little creatures who used to walk over the edge together unless you stopped them....

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                      #25
                      Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                      I don't see even ONE person in there :)

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                        #26
                        Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                        Originally posted by Simplyred View Post
                        Any company that does not use their own products where applicable is worthy of being looked at with a bit of suspicion.
                        Suppose Ford would have their top layer personnel drive around in Peugeot cars, what message does that send?
                        The typical Alpha Five customer however does not seem to be interested much in messages. He seems to have no choice.
                        Like Steve said: whatever you tell them, they go forward anyway. A bit like the old game, how was it called, "Lemmings" ?
                        Those little creatures who used to walk over the edge together unless you stopped them....
                        The way I see it is Alpha Five best used for building Web Apps not Web Sites I think it is fine if Alpha's Web Site in in ASP or what ever....
                        That being said if the build any sort on Online ordering , or "My Orders" type web App then yes I would like to see that built in Alpha Five.

                        B

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                          #27
                          Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                          The way I see it is Alpha Five best used for building Web Apps not Web Sites I think it is fine if Alpha's Web Site in in ASP or what ever....
                          That being said if the build any sort on Online ordering , or "My Orders" type web App then yes I would like to see that built in Alpha Five.
                          I agree that is the best use of Alpha products. In all of my applications, the "web site" is just a surround, to make the application fit in as a normal website. The meat is always under the hood, behind the login dialog. An exception to that is www.trinav.com; that site has a significant public user interface and lots of traffic. It is equally large "behind the login" too but the public would never see that. (Now that I look at it, the "website" - created in 2010 - is getting a bit out of date, time to modernize.)
                          Steve Wood
                          See my profile on IADN

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                            #28
                            Re: Why famous websites never use Alpha Software for public access ?

                            When it comes to large customer base, of course engineers develop new solutions, architectures and implementations.

                            In a small businesses I have with a partner we're building a hosting service for hi performance Magento ecommerce websites, from the smallest shared hosting VPS to dedicated phisical servers up to a state-of-the-art hi performance OpenVZ datacenter with everything fine tuned to get the best of the best (we just won a contest for supplying this to a big competitor in the online market in Italy).

                            The 20th of September we'll have online and working this new Magento Enterprise implementation capable of handling 150k of unique users per day and about 100 transactions per second.

                            Of course to delivery such performance everything must be choosen for this result: from ngnix instead of apache, from varnish to page caching, to OpenVZ instead of VM, to hi performing SSD and so on..

                            To do such a quantum leap in performances Alpha5 WAS should be rewritten for linux machines, maybe optimized for clustering operation (maybe it already is enough), and adapted to be used on hi performing machines (N cores, M GB of ram..). Then, neither a 100k or more user limit should be of any concern.

                            As a side info, we're also experimenting to build performing VM with SSD for the actual version of A5 WAS (windows servers, of course), with attention to price/performance ratio.
                            Should anyone be interested in our progresses pls let us know (even only for suggestions).

                            Finally, I'm wondering if anyone (Steve?) could have built a benchmarking app and DB, to test performances of A5 WAS hosting (there are a lot of such testing app for Magento, for instance).

                            Fabio Mantovani
                            Hourly rate: 50 - If you look: 60 - If you laugh: 70 - If you tried yourself before: 100

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