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    #16
    Re: Web Components on Desktop

    Can a WCD app be a multiuser application or is it limited to only single user? If it can be multiuser then could it not also be utilized over the internet?
    Andrew

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      #17
      Re: Web Components on Desktop

      Over a WAN it could.
      Or WTS?
      Or possibly Team Viewer?
      See our Hybrid Option here;
      https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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        #18
        Re: Web Components on Desktop

        What is WTS?
        Andrew

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          #19
          Re: Web Components on Desktop

          Windows terminal services.
          See our Hybrid Option here;
          https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


          Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
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            #20
            Re: Web Components on Desktop

            Ah, I should have realized that. From what I am seeing it would be possible to make a "internet" application using Alpha5 runtime and avoiding the Alpha Anywhere Application Server licensing costs. In fact using runtime you can use the normal desktop controls or use the WCD controls (still not sure what WCD stands for). Either one could be used with an SQL server. Neither of them limit your SQL server to be only hosted on the LAN instead of a WAN. You wouldn't even need terminal services or teamviewer software.

            Having never tried any of this please accept that this is all theory and speculation. Is there language in the runtime license agreement that forbids using data hosted offsite?
            Andrew

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              #21
              Re: Web Components on Desktop

              still not sure what WCD stands for
              the title says what it is.

              if you are able to connect to a remote computer and run your runtime as WAN application i suppose you can do that with wcd, but i don't think it is as robust as the web application itself. at least when i tested lot of the things did not work in the wcd.
              i am still trying but web for me more useful and easier to build.
              thanks for reading

              gandhi

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                #22
                Re: Web Components on Desktop

                @ Andrew.
                WCD = Web Components on the Desktop. Basically Grids and Alpha style Web stuff on normal Forms.
                Marcel (banned) coined this phrase I believe a good while ago.

                if you are using Runtime over a LAN or WAN, there is no limit - although you can set one - to the number of users.
                I haven't tried using WCD over a LAN, but I don't believe that there will be any particular problems apart from the speed. SQL and Alpha are MUCH slower than Alpha and native DBF.
                As I said, not tried it, but it should be OK if you can use the time delay for a cup of tea.

                Some of the latest toolkits are SQL specific and run like lightning. SQL is usually very fast if the layers of code it has to go through is minimal.

                @ Govindan.
                I think you are correct in your opinion of using either Web Or Desktop. You could end up in a muddle and with a half assed application if you are not careful.
                It would be better all around to have 2 distinct and usable offerings - Web and WAS, and Desktop and Runtime. There are IMHO 2 market streams and this has not been recognised.
                See our Hybrid Option here;
                https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


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                  #23
                  Re: Web Components on Desktop

                  WAN applications, I like using the WCD on the local machine and have it access the SQL on the Internet/Cloud. This way each user has their own copy of the runtime but accesses the common databases. This is not with linked tables... they are WAY too slow which is why I like the WCD rather than total native desktop. But then with my users scattered all over North America and Europe, this seems to be the easiest way to let them all use the data without using "web" pages. Hopefully, when I introduce Mobile, I can wean them to trust web pages.

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                    #24
                    Re: Web Components on Desktop

                    I'm not following, Christy. You're not storing any data on the local machines and they have to have the updated version of the software installed as well as have an internet connection for use?

                    I don't understand why you wouldn't just run it "using 'web' pages". Do your users have a particular aversion to that?

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                      #25
                      Re: Web Components on Desktop

                      Originally posted by aschone View Post
                      Ah, I should have realized that. From what I am seeing it would be possible to make a "internet" application using Alpha5 runtime and avoiding the Alpha Anywhere Application Server licensing costs.
                      I think you got the point.
                      Is this point good for independent developer and is this point good for Alpha Software?

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                        #26
                        Re: Web Components on Desktop

                        Let's see if AS pick this up.
                        I doubt it.
                        There are loads of licensing bypass tricks. I don't publish 'cos Im loyal. To a point.
                        See our Hybrid Option here;
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                          #27
                          Re: What Is The Cost Of Paid Alpha Support?

                          Originally posted by Steve Wood View Post
                          It is up to the inventive user base to embrace WCD, which is the way it should be. Yes one can port a WCD app over to full web, but you still have to build the app. Its not any less work to build it to deploy as WCD so what is the point, how does that equate to lack of vision? I would never make a statement like that because the two are disconnected, not associated, the one does not follow the other.
                          That's not quite correct Steve. When you have a WCD application basis, you already built most of your web-application. You would just have to make minor changes in order for the app to function as a web application as opposed to a complete desktop app which you indeed would need to totally rebuild. Since WCD comprises web components, these do not need any work to migrate to the web. You couldn't do that with a desktop application. So one of the advantages of WCD is, that should you (for whatever reasons) want to start out as a desktop application, and later (for whatever reasons again) want to migrate to a web application, this is only a very small job. So your reasoning that the two are disconnected, seems incorrect.

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                            #28
                            Re: Web Components on Desktop

                            Originally posted by aschone View Post
                            Can a WCD app be a multiuser application or is it limited to only single user? If it can be multiuser then could it not also be utilized over the internet?
                            It could in various ways. Indeed, as Ted pointed out, could it be done over TS. But another quite interesting option is to use Google Drive to base your Master Database and connect it from pc's with a Google account from accepted users. It has been tested unto a certain level I believe. That would be a WAN connection serviced by Google :-)

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                              #29
                              Re: Web Components on Desktop

                              Mick,

                              We are in agreement on the first item, you have to build the web app. We both said the same thing.

                              It does not lead to Alpha having a lack of vision because of anything to do with WCD.

                              Also, its nice to see that the lead singer for Simply Red is now an Alphaphile :). Either this is correct, or you should use your real name.
                              Steve Wood
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                                #30
                                Re: Web Components on Desktop

                                Originally posted by christappan View Post
                                I'm not following, Christy. You're not storing any data on the local machines and they have to have the updated version of the software installed as well as have an internet connection for use?

                                I don't understand why you wouldn't just run it "using 'web' pages". Do your users have a particular aversion to that?
                                Boy do they ever! They do not want anything that hints at a "web" application. At least they concede that the data has to be accessible through the internet so that they are all working with the same data.

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