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    v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

    There are probably not that many v.12 desktop developers here from v.11 & prior who could answer this question (both objectively and based on experience), but here goes.....

    Given subscription access to both/all of the v.11 and v.12 Alphasoftware tools...
    • If you were ~1/2 way through a project that was (up to this point) built with v.11 (with the intention of using/needing ONLY "classic desktop technology" presently available in v.11 for the desktop side.)
    • AND you had a solid understanding (with years of familiarity) of the "classic a5 desktop" (along with a good understanding of xBasic)
    • AND the desktop side was using .dbf as a back-end. (to begin with anyways)
    • BUT you did not have "xDialog under your belt" (aside from tweaking code here and there) so to speak....
    • WITH the intentions of possibly building the web-side component as a future project in v.12+ (completely separately) to keep things "modular."

    Would you finish the desktop project using v.11, or would you move it to v.12 and "never look back?" (and why?)

    PS: It's worth noting that the desktop component would be built for general distribution: I did read that the AA Application Server (which I have) includes a "free tool" so that anyone can distribute fully functional desktop applications "freely." I need to know more about this aspect too. ~ As noted, my intentions are to "freely distribute" a desktop component as proof of concept, to ultimately help "sell" my idea/finished product. I know I can do this in v.11, because of the "Unlimited Runtime license."

    I ask this because I have v.12 sitting in front of me. (Technically, I have had access to v.12 since it was in beta this past spring.) ~ But if there are no immediate benefits, I'm completely fine with the notion of waiting to even install v.12..... (at least until the desktop portion of this project nears completion)

    I kind of feel like a race-car driver who "caught neutral while pushing for 3'rd gear." (And I don't want to "catch reverse" by accident!)
    Last edited by SNusa; 01-07-2014, 03:50 PM.
    Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
    It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
    RELOADED: My current posting activity here merely represents a "Momentary Lapse Of Reason."

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    Re: Rhetorical question: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

    I would go V12 - as far as distribution, I suspect you will have to create an installer for it, just like past versions
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      #3
      Re: Rhetorical question: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

      So my "interpretation" of the Alpha Anywhere Runtime (for v.12 allowing unlimited distribution of desktop applications) is correct? That is good news!
      Of course I'll need to choose "the right" installer once "the time comes".... Or possibly I can even use the v.11 installer, providing I stay "100% classic" and don't use any of the WDC features I've read about. (my intentions anyways)

      I've heard others who have successfully "backtracked" down to v.10 with "v.11 workspaces" due to various compatibility issues. (And they didn't have the problems I would have expected.) ~ Something that I would have never considered even trying to do.

      Any major "migratory speed-bumps" I need to be concerned with while using "classic desktop" in v.12?
      Last edited by SNusa; 01-07-2014, 04:24 PM.
      Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
      It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
      RELOADED: My current posting activity here merely represents a "Momentary Lapse Of Reason."

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        #4
        Re: Rhetorical question: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

        I've had to commit time & money to V12 as V11 is no longer updated by Alpha - even for bugs introduced in the last released live version. All the bugs I identified in my V11 projects are fixed in V12 and I made no changes to the code to get it to work on V12.

        If you have a V12 runtime license (mine was on the email with the dev & app server licenses) then I can see absolutely no reason not to move over to V12, and several 'never to be fixed' bugs in V11 that could cause you major headaches if you stay there.

        FYI we currently have one client running the project using the V11 constructed code with one user on the V12 runtime. Plan is to migrate code and runtimes to V12 for all users later this week if no problems over the next couple of days.

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          #5
          Re: Rhetorical question: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

          That's good news Jon. (I also have v.12)

          With regards to the v.12 runtime. Is it in fact "unlimited?" (Like v.11, does it permit you to distribute apps "unrestricted?") ~I haven't installed the runtime yet, but I did install v.12 yesterday & found several bugs still present, like trying to duplicate mapped tables which I reported last January I believe.

          If you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate on the bugs you know were fixed in v.12 (I'd like to compare them against my notes/list of bugs reported and unfixed in v.11.)

          Thanks, Robert
          Robert T. ~ "I enjoy manipulating data... just not my data."
          It's all about the "framework." (I suppose an "a5-induced" hard drive crash is now in order?)
          RELOADED: My current posting activity here merely represents a "Momentary Lapse Of Reason."

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            #6
            Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

            Robert, as far as I'm aware the runtime is on the same license as the V11, so yes, unlimited.

            V11 bugs fixed in V12 that I'm aware of are the 'access denied' errors when using web components in IE11 and the unpredictable scrolling of a browse after a row is updated - this is apparently fixed in the latest V11 build, but I'm definitely not happy pushing that out to any customers.

            I'm sure there was another, but can't think of it, and your list doesn't ring any bells.

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              #7
              Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

              I remember Richard stating on this forum, last quarter last year, that v12 developer INCLUDES RUNTIME.
              In the latest "limited offer" this states otherwise. Dated Jan 8

              Upgrade now for just $698 →

              Developer Edition only just $299 →

              *The Developer Edition only option does not include the
              Runtime, App Server or Amazon gift card.
              *Please allow up to 21 days to receive your Amazon gift card.
              What are we to assume going forward? Buying developer does not guarantee runtime?

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                #8
                Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                As the runtime isn't (last time I looked) in the shop, I can only assume that the full price developer includes the runtime. If you purchase via 'special offer' you get what's included in that offer.

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                  Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                  Originally posted by Ray in Capetown View Post
                  I remember Richard stating on this forum, last quarter last year, that v12 developer INCLUDES RUNTIME.
                  In the latest "limited offer" this states otherwise. Dated Jan 8


                  What are we to assume going forward? Buying developer does not guarantee runtime?
                  Yes Richard did state runtime was included with developer. I was the one who asked about it. However I believe it was in one of the threads that was removed.

                  However now on the purchase page the mention of runtime is in the description for the application server. So it appears that runtime must now be purchased separately.
                  Andrew

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                    #10
                    Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                    The Introductory Pricing suggests a free AppServer which also includes the RunTime engine according to the text.
                    That makes it $999 for both under the special offer by my reckoning.
                    1 appserver for the web, and unlimited distribution of desktop?
                    See our Hybrid Option here;
                    https://hybridapps.example-software.com/


                    Apologies to anyone I haven't managed to upset yet.
                    You are held in a queue and I will get to you soon.

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                      Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                      Is there a version of alpha where I can use the browse control with no bugs? If it is V3 then I will go back to the pre-historic just to use it on the Desktop. @SNusa, it is better to completely leave alpha(any version) if you are developing on the desktop side, you see, alpha is in full swing on the web and mobile because they say it is the future (they are correct) I managed to learn and create a desktop app using Visual Basic .net and SQL server express 2012 with no problems and no bugs (for now). I am now creating a Web app using Alpha V12. Say goodbye to alpha if you are creating a desktop app once and for all!

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                        #12
                        Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                        Say goodbye to alpha if you are creating a desktop app once and for all!
                        Hhmm.. that's your opinion, not mine. The browse control has always been problematic but you can still use it. Experience teaches how you can use it. I have a number of clients going strong on the desktop with no plans to change.
                        Peter
                        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                        [email protected]
                        https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                          #13
                          Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                          Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                          Hhmm.. that's your opinion, not mine. The browse control has always been problematic but you can still use it. Experience teaches how you can use it. I have a number of clients going strong on the desktop with no plans to change.
                          Hmmm.. I did'nt say its your opinion, it's mine. I have some clients going very very strong on other platforms other than alpha on the desktop. Unless Alphasoftware company will support desktop again, but hey, they are going forward to the right direction.

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                            #14
                            Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                            You made an emphatic statement: "Say goodbye to alpha if you are creating a desktop app once and for all!"

                            I disagree.
                            Peter
                            AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

                            [email protected]
                            https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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                              #15
                              Re: v.11 or v.12 DESKTOP APP build...

                              Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                              You made an emphatic statement: "Say goodbye to alpha if you are creating a desktop app once and for all!"

                              I disagree.
                              I mean say Goodbye to Alpha on the Desktop side. For mobile and web development, I am on my way to creating a great Web App Using Alpha Anywhere.

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